On Wed, 22 Jan 2003 05:27:03 -0800 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > Send Fink-devel mailing list submissions to > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/fink-devel > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > You can reach the person managing the list at > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Fink-devel digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: for the wishlist: system-$perlmodule, or the moral equivalent > (Ben Hines) > 2. Re: for the wishlist: system-$perlmodule, or the moral > equivalent (Benjamin Reed) > 3. Re: for the wishlist: system-$perlmodule, or the moral equivalent > (Ben Hines) > 4. Re: for the wishlist: system-$perlmodule, or the moral equivalent > (Ben Hines) > 5. Re: Registering fink.fm? (Chris Zubrzycki) > 6. HELLO (ismaila shidaku) > 7. [OT] Re: [Fink-devel] HELLO (Carsten Klapp) > 8. off topic: fink-devel subscribers (Max Horn) > 9. Re: gettext 0.11.5 for fink (Max Horn) > 10. (no subject) (David R. Morrison) > 11. Re: [Fink-devel]Adding GPL2 or GPLv2 to the list of allowed licenses > (David) > 12. Re: Re: [Fink-devel]Adding GPL2 or GPLv2 to the list of allowed > licenses (David R. Morrison) > 13. Re: Re: [Fink-devel]Adding GPL2 or GPLv2 to the list of allowed > licenses (Benjamin Reed) > > --__--__-- > > Message: 1 > Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2003 12:25:47 -0800 > Subject: Re: [Fink-devel] for the wishlist: system-$perlmodule, or the > moral equivalent > Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Fink Devel) > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Xavier HUMBERT) > From: Ben Hines <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > On Tuesday, January 21, 2003, at 11:57 AM, Xavier HUMBERT wrote: > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Hisashi T Fujinaka) wrote : > > > >> it puts things places I don't want > >> (overwriting /usr/bin/head, for example) > > > > Dan't blame CPAN, but Apple with their crappy HFS+, for that... > > > > I expericenced, the same problem, of course :-} > > > > No, DO blame CPAN. Why are they putting stuff in /usr/bin ? That is for > vendor supplied things in any case. > > -Ben > > > > --__--__-- > > Message: 2 > Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2003 15:34:12 -0500 > From: Benjamin Reed <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Organization: DFT > To: Ben Hines <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Cc: Xavier HUMBERT <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, > Fink Devel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: [Fink-devel] for the wishlist: system-$perlmodule, or the > moral > equivalent > > Ben Hines wrote: > >> Dan't blame CPAN, but Apple with their crappy HFS+, for that... > >> > >> I expericenced, the same problem, of course :-} > >> > > > > No, DO blame CPAN. Why are they putting stuff in /usr/bin ? That is for > > vendor supplied things in any case. > > Agtually, blame Apple. Apple's perl is configured to put scripts in > /usr/bin. :P > > > [g4:~/cvs/darwin-kde] ranger% perl -V:installscript > installscript='/usr/bin'; > > > > --__--__-- > > Message: 3 > Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2003 13:46:43 -0800 > Subject: Re: [Fink-devel] for the wishlist: system-$perlmodule, or the > moral equivalent > Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Randal L. Schwartz) > From: Ben Hines <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > On Monday, January 20, 2003, at 04:45 AM, Randal L. Schwartz wrote: > > > > Any thoughts on how to do this without breaking everything open? > > > > With the current fink, the way to make a system-* package would be: > > filename: system-perlmodules.info > > Package: system-perlmodules > Version: 1.0 > Provides: gd-pm, algorithm-diff-pm, http-dav-pm.... (parse the package > names from the output of "fink list --section=perlmods -w=200" and put > them all here) > Type: nosource > CompileScript: echo "Placeholder for all perlmod packages" >> README > InstallScript: echo "none" > DocFiles: README > > (the README is needed because dpkg complains if you have zero files in > a package) > > put that in /sw/fink/10.2/local/main/finkinfo/ and "fink install > system-perlmodules". > > That will work for everything except things that have a "versioned" > dependency on a perl module. (cause you can't "provide" a version with > the current fink) > > -Ben > > > > --__--__-- > > Message: 4 > Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2003 13:49:46 -0800 > Subject: Re: [Fink-devel] for the wishlist: system-$perlmodule, or the > moral equivalent > From: Ben Hines <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], > [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Randal L. Schwartz) > > > On Tuesday, January 21, 2003, at 01:46 PM, Ben Hines wrote: > > erlmodules.info > > > > Package: system-perlmodules > > Version: 1.0 > > Provides: gd-pm, algorithm-diff-pm, http-dav-pm.... (parse the > > package names from the output of "fink list --section=perlmods -w=200" > > and put them all here) > > Type: nosource > > CompileScript: echo "Placeholder for all perlmod packages" >> README > > InstallScript: echo "none" > > DocFiles: README > > > > (the README is needed because dpkg complains if you have zero files in > > a package) > > > > Actually, my bad, you can use "Type: bundle" to get around that. So > with Type: bundle you don't need the compilescript/installscript, etc. > > -Ben > > > > --__--__-- > > Message: 5 > Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2003 17:37:50 -0500 > Subject: Re: [Fink-devel] Registering fink.fm? > Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > To: David <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > From: Chris Zubrzycki <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > On Tuesday, January 21, 2003, at 11:48 AM, David wrote: > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > > Hash: RIPEMD160 > > > > Hello guys. > > > > Fink.fm is available and even though we are no radio station I am > > short of registering it. It would be a 200 dollar Investment for the > > next two years which I am well willing to make. The question is, would > > you all accept this as an additional domain, DRM, Max, Benjamin? > > personally, i dont like it for the same reason max didn't want to use > andthing in the .de domain: .fm does not mean a radio station, it's a > country's private domain. We are worldwide effort, so personally i > think we should not have a domain tied to a specific country. > > -chris zubrzycki > - -- > PGP public key: http://homepage.mac.com/beren/publickey.txt > ID: 0xA2ABC070 > Fingerprint: 26B0 BA6B A409 FA83 42B3 1688 FBF9 8232 A2AB C070 > ======================================================== > Security Is A Series Of Well-Defined Steps... > > chmod -R 0 / ; and smile :) > > > > -chris zubrzycki > - -- > PGP public key: http://homepage.mac.com/beren/publickey.txt > ID: 0xA2ABC070 > Fingerprint: 26B0 BA6B A409 FA83 42B3 1688 FBF9 8232 A2AB C070 > ======================================================== > > "Twice blessed is help unlooked for." --Tolkien > > > > --__--__-- > > Message: 6 > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > From: ismaila shidaku <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2003 18:56:20 -0500 > Subject: [Fink-devel] HELLO > > Hello, > > I am Barrister Ismaila Shidaku an attorney to late MARK FINK an Immigrant, > who was a business man/contractor in Nigeria with the NIGERIAN NATIONAL > PETROLEUM CORPORATION (NNPC) Here in after shall be referredto as my > client.On the 30th of march 2002, my client,his wife and their > threechildren died in a car accident here in Nigeria.Since then i have > beenmanaging his properties,and a contract which he implimented for > NNPC.Which i monitored the payment as his attorney.Now the money for the > contract has been deposited into his account in Nigeria. I have contacted > you to assist in repatriating the money and property left behind by my > client before they get > confiscated or declared unserviceable by his bank. Particularly, the bank > has issued me a notice to provide the next of kin or have the account > confisicated within a short time. The deceased has an account valued at > 15.5 million dollars. Since I have been unsuccesfull in locating the > relatives for over 7 months now I seek your consent to present you as the > next of kin of the deceased, so that the proceeds of this account valued > at 15.5 million dollars can bepaid to you and then you, I and his > accountant officer can share the money. 50% > to me and 20% for you and 20% for him while 10% will be for expences > thatmight arise. I have all necessary informations that can be used to > back up any claim we may make. All I require is your honest co-operation > to enable us see this deal through. I guarantee that this will be executed > under a legitimate arrangement that will protect you from any breach of > the law.Please get in touch with me by my email and send me your telephone > and fax numbers to enable us discuss further about this transaction. > > Best regards, > > Ismaila Shidaku > > > > _________________________________________________________ > http://www.latinmail.com. Gratuito, latino y en espa�ol. > > > > --__--__-- > > Message: 7 > Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2003 19:24:48 -0500 > Subject: [OT] Re: [Fink-devel] HELLO > From: Carsten Klapp <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Oh no, "UNCLE" FINK DIED!?!!!?!?!?!! Why didn't anyone tell me... > <Sniff> <sniff> <waaaaah> > ;-) ck > > On Tuesday, January 21, 2003, at 06:56 pm, ismaila shidaku wrote: > > > Hello, > > > > I am Barrister Ismaila Shidaku an attorney to late MARK FINK an > > Immigrant, who was a business man/contractor in Nigeria with the > > NIGERIAN NATIONAL PETROLEUM CORPORATION (NNPC) Here in after shall be > > referredto as my client.On the 30th of march 2002, my client,his wife > > and their threechildren died in a car accident here in Nigeria.Since > > then i have beenmanaging his properties,and a contract which he > > implimented for NNPC.Which i monitored the payment as his > > attorney.Now the money for the contract has been deposited into his > > account in Nigeria. I have contacted you to assist in repatriating > > the money and property left behind by my client before they get > > confiscated or declared unserviceable by his bank. Particularly, the > > bank has issued me a notice to provide the next of kin or have the > > account confisicated within a short time. The deceased has an > > account valued at 15.5 million dollars. Since I have been > > unsuccesfull in locating the relatives for over 7 months now I seek > > your consent to present you as the next of kin of the deceased, so > > that the proceeds of this account valued at 15.5 million dollars can > > bepaid to you and then you, I and his accountant officer can share the > > money. 50% > > to me and 20% for you and 20% for him while 10% will be for expences > > thatmight arise. I have all necessary informations that can be used > > to back up any claim we may make. All I require is your honest > > co-operation to enable us see this deal through. I guarantee that this > > will be executed under a legitimate arrangement that will protect you > > from any breach of the law.Please get in touch with me by my email and > > send me your telephone and fax numbers to enable us discuss further > > about this transaction. > > > > Best regards, > > > > Ismaila Shidaku > > > > --__--__-- > > Message: 8 > Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2003 11:32:55 +0100 > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > From: Max Horn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: [Fink-devel] off topic: fink-devel subscribers > > A completly off-topic thingy, i just looked through the fink-devel > subscriptions and I must say I am always surprised again about some > of the domain names used to subscribe. I compiled a brief list of the > more well-known ones. while this in no way means that the > companies/organizations listed here endores Fink, it does mean that > some people working there (or at least having an email address there) > apparently are using or watching Fink: > > apple.com > blizzard.com > debian.org > gnu.org > oreilly.com > netscape.org > sgi.com > w3.org > > Also interesting for me is to see a subscriber from stack.nl, an > organization at the TU Eindhoven where I am studying currently. > > > > Cheers, > > Max > > > > --__--__-- > > Message: 9 > Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2003 13:45:28 +0100 > To: Chris Leishman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > From: Max Horn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: [Fink-devel] Re: gettext 0.11.5 for fink > > At 14:20 Uhr +0200 22.01.2003, Chris Leishman wrote: > >On Wednesday, January 22, 2003, at 01:38 PM, Max Horn wrote: > > > >>At 13:21 Uhr +0200 22.01.2003, Chris Leishman wrote: > >>>Hi Max, > >>> > >>>I was wondering if you had an opportunity to look at updating the > >>>gettext package to the 0.11.5 upstream version? > >> > >>We have discussed this in #fink and in fink-devel in the past. It > >>won't happen anytime soon, because it is binary incompatible to > >>older versions, and updating it will be a mess. > > > >But the .so's (or .dylibs actually) should be versioned shouldn't > >they? As long as it doesn't change the .po format or the API then > >it should be ok? > > > >Sure it would mean restructuring the gettext fink package slightly, > >because at the moment there is only a single gettext package. You > >would need separate packages for the shared libs and for the rest. > >Then you could have multiple shared lib packages installed for the > >0.10.40 version and the 0.11.5 version. The user could then choose > >which of the versions to choose for the rest of the files (and > >naturally they'd conflict with each other). > > > >Actually - after just writing that I saw your msg in fink-devel: > >http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/message.php?msg_id=2226789 > > > >I'll try and do some checking into API compatibility if you like - > >though I'm fairly sure it will be ok. > > > First off, the gettext folks themselves admit they broke some API > compatibility, IIRC. Secondly, the problems largely stem from the > fact that this is an Essential package. Even if you split it, it will > not solve the problem. That easily. More on this in the archives I > guess. > > To sum it up roughly: gettext is essential, and many many things need > it, but w/o declaring it so. > > If gettext 0.11 is 100% source & binary compatible to 0.10, we have > no problem, and can stop this dicussion now, and simply update the > gettext package to the new version. However, IIRC it is *not* so. > > If its *not* source compatible, then its going to be ugly, see the > URL Chris pasted. > If it is source but not binary compatible, the situation is something > like this: > > Let's say we add gettext11 (if its binary incompatible it gotta have > a different name). Let's also assume we splitoffize it. Then of > course both -shlibs can be installed at the same time. fine, but > that's not the issue (but note that we would have to declare both > shlibs essential, which is not so nice because then the user has to > always build and install two version of gettext when he bootstrap > Fink - very ugly). > > No the complications come from the -dev parts. Quite obviously you > can't install both of them at once. Howver, one of the always *must* > be installed. I.e. must be Essential. And here comes the problem, > only one of them can be essential, since they conflict. > > A simple "Provides: gettext" in gettext11 won't be sufficient to > overcome the problem. Maybe we could get away by "cheating" and > declarig gettext to be a dependency of one of the other essential > packages, but I am not even sure that would work (during bootstrap > time that is), I haven't touched that code for too long, so somebody > might want to try it. > > > That pretty much sums up the situation (once again <g>) > > > Max > > > --__--__-- > > Message: 10 > From: "David R. Morrison" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2003 07:52:38 -0500 > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: [Fink-devel] (no subject) > > Folks, if you have a suggestion or request about changing or improving > Fink, > please either post it to one of the trackers or raise the issue on this > mailing list. Do not mail it directly to me. > > -- Dave > > > Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2003 11:23:22 +0100 > Subject: New license.. > From: David <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: David Morrison <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > David could we please add GPL2 to the license list? > > GPL and GPLv2 do have differences and some choose to license their > stuff under gpl2 explicitly. > > - -d > > - - Face me and you shall surely perish. > > > From: "David R. Morrison" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2003 05:26:09 -0500 > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: New license.. > X-Archive: archive/0301/2078 > > This is something to be discussed on fink-devel. > > Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2003 11:32:09 +0100 > Subject: Re: New license.. > From: David <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "David R. Morrison" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > On Mittwoch, J�nner 22, 2003, at 11:26 Uhr, David R. Morrison wrote: > > > This is something to be discussed on fink-devel. > Once more I do not quite see the point of discussing this, but please > feel free to. > > - -d > > > > > > --__--__-- > > Message: 11 > Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2003 14:10:37 +0100 > Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > To: "David R. Morrison" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > From: David <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: [Fink-devel] Re: [Fink-devel]Adding GPL2 or GPLv2 to the list of > allowed licenses > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: RIPEMD160 > > =0D > On Mittwoch, J=E4nner 22, 2003, at 01:52 Uhr, David R. Morrison wrote:=0D= > > =0D > > Folks, if you have a suggestion or request about changing or improving = > =0D > > Fink,=0D > > please either post it to one of the trackers or raise the issue on = > this=0D > > mailing list. Do not mail it directly to me.=0D > >=0D > =0D > Actually this was neither meant as request nor suggestion, I would have > =0D= > > added the GPL2 myself to the allowed list of licenses, yet I thought it > =0D= > > would be more polite if you did it, since it does seem that you have =0D > been compiling the list and looking after it. Since the GPL is already =0D= > > on the list this would not mean introducing a major change and thus I =0D= > > did not deem it necessary discussing this with Max or Benjamin. The GPL > =0D= > > is allread accepted as license model, it would simply make the whole =0D > filed more precise if we could specify the major version as well.=0D > =0D > =0D > =0D > Although I agree with David, that general suggestions and requests =0D > should be mailed to the mailing list.=0D > =0D > I hope that clarifies things, I apologise for any confusion caused.=0D > =0D > - -d=0D > =0D > - - Face me and you shall surely perish.=0D > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (Darwin) > > iD8DBQE+LphRiW/Ta/pxHPQRA28TAJ0WuySc9e7NAtMJz61IQik+vBCcYwCgnBHI > pKorslpPL3Wh9jMK/ekqtg4=3D > =3Dj0wf > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > > > --__--__-- > > Message: 12 > From: "David R. Morrison" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2003 08:21:08 -0500 > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: [Fink-devel] Re: [Fink-devel]Adding GPL2 or GPLv2 to the list > of allowed licenses > Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Again, I beg to differ about the importance of this question. > > Paying careful attention to licenses is one of Fink's strengths. We have > very rarely made *any* change in license policy, and the recent change > to allow "Restrictive/Distributable" was thoroughly discussed on this > list before it was implemented. The only other change I can recall in > nearly two years was adding the "GPL/LDP" and "GPL/GFDL" dual licensing > options, and I'm not sure anybody uses those in packages. > > Our use of the "BSD" license category is already pretty loose -- we lump > a lot of more-or-less similar licenses together there. I personally don't > see a need for any more precision in the GPL license category. > > -- Dave > > > --__--__-- > > Message: 13 > Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2003 08:26:32 -0500 > Subject: Re: [Fink-devel] Re: [Fink-devel]Adding GPL2 or GPLv2 to the list > of allowed licenses > Cc: "David R. Morrison" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > To: David <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > From: Benjamin Reed <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > On Wednesday, January 22, 2003, at 08:10 AM, David wrote: > > > Actually this was neither meant as request nor suggestion, I would have > > added the GPL2 myself to the allowed list of licenses, yet I thought it > > would be more polite if you did it, since it does seem that you have > > been compiling the list and looking after it. Since the GPL is already > > on the list this would not mean introducing a major change and thus I > > did not deem it necessary discussing this with Max or Benjamin. The GPL > > is allread accepted as license model, it would simply make the whole > > filed more precise if we could specify the major version as well. > > > > Although I agree with David, that general suggestions and requests > > should be mailed to the mailing list. > > > > I hope that clarifies things, I apologise for any confusion caused. > > I would assume that the reason he forwarded to the list is because he > wanted to discuss the need to explicitly add GPL2. I don't see any > reason we need to have it as a choice, it seems as if the list of > licenses is purposfully broad so as not to have to list every license > type in existence. > > Not only that, but the docs explicitly state that discussion on adding > any new licenses should happen on the list. =) > > Oh, and by the way, your reponses are still getting messed up by > pgp-mime, it seems. I had to open up the text of your mail as an > attachment again. :P > > > > > --__--__-- > > _______________________________________________ > Fink-devel mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/fink-devel > > > End of Fink-devel Digest
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