Did not matter. I had TWO REFUSED purchase order forms with my cover letter
explaining what it was for. There response was that it was my fault because
they were aware but they were not "fully aware". Thing is, at that place
they did not want to be fully aware because every time I tried to make my
case they said "your rehashing a non issue, you have more important things
to do". Bottom line was that the management at that place was like Bill
Clinton, do anything, say anything, rewrite history, no morals. That's one
reason I am no longer there.
-----Original Message-----
From: Ron DuFresne [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, December 07, 2000 1:09 PM
To: Ng, Kenneth (US)
Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: NAI & McAfee website hacked.
I don't know, but, when I face such issues, I document and pass up the
chain the info and let those in the big leather cushy chairs make the
final determinations. My butt's been covered and then their's is on the
line.
Thanks,
Ron DuFresne
On Thu, 7 Dec 2000, Ng, Kenneth (US) wrote:
> Watch them fire the head of security for "not making me fully aware of the
> possible consequences". I've had that thrown at me when what I had things
> turned down because "that is a hypothetical risk", and of course, the risk
> happened and they came pissed off to me yelling "why didn't you tell me
this
> could happen!?".
>
> Lets face it, the big companies are like the Ford and GM of the 1970's,
they
> don't care, they make too much money. The Open Source movement is going
to
> become the Toyota.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Frederick M Avolio [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Wednesday, December 06, 2000 9:11 PM
> To: Ng, Kenneth (US); 'Ken Seefried'; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: RE: NAI & McAfee website hacked.
>
>
> At 03:54 PM 12/5/00 +0000, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> >To be fair, it was an external hosting company that was hacked, and not
an
> >NAI network or host.
>
>
> At 05:20 PM 12/5/00 -0500, Ng, Kenneth \(US\) wrote:
> >Bottom line: NAI and McAfee should have known better. Chances are the
> >security staff knew better but were overruled by the bean counters, who
of
> >course are only concerned with the bottom line of the current quarter.
>
> I agree wholeheartedly. This is not Ben and Jerry's Ice Cream. This is
> supposedly the largest security company in the world. They ought to be
> ashamed of themselves and someone ought to get fired.
>
> None of the large security companies are security companies any more.
Check
> Point hasn't ever been. TIS was and PGP was but they're lost in NAI.
Raptor
> was, but was eaten by Axent and now Symantec which used to be an AV
company
> but now is moving into the same realm as NAI... Big big business. Let's
> make millions for the CEO. Faster, cheaper, is better. Bigger is better.
> The Walmart of the security business.
>
> Let smaller security product companies take heed.
>
>
>
>
> Fred
> Avolio Consulting, Inc.
> 16228 Frederick Road, PO Box 609, Lisbon, MD 21765, US
> +1 410-309-6910 (voice) +1 410-309-6911 (fax)
> http://www.avolio.com/
>
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