I was reading a passage (from this List?) to my wife. My 20 month old granddaughter wanted to say something so she said to me, "Top it! Top it!". That strengthened the bond I feel with her.
--- Frank C. Wimberly 140 Calle Ojo Feliz, Santa Fe, NM 87505 505 670-9918 Santa Fe, NM On Fri, Sep 2, 2022, 8:17 AM glen <geprope...@gmail.com> wrote: > OK. But the affinity and "inner self" alluded to by the phrase "faking it" > is nothing but a personality momentum, a build-up of past behaviors, like a > fly-wheel spun up by all the previous affinities and faking of it. We faked > it in our mom's womb, faked it as babies, faked it as children on the > playground or in class, etc. all the way up to the last time we faked it > digging ditches or pair programming in Java. > > The only difference between feeling an affinity and engaging in a new > faking it exercise is the extent to which the new collaboration is similar > to the previous collaborations. As both Steve and Dave point out, spend > enough time living in a world and you'll grow affine to that world (and the > world will grow affine to you). > > I suppose it's reasonable to posit a spectrum (or a higher dim space) on > which some people have particularly inertial fly-wheels and others have > more easily disturbed things that store less energy. Of the Big 5, my guess > would be neuroticism would be most inertial. Perhaps openness and > agreeableness would be the least inertial. > > > > On 9/2/22 05:35, Marcus Daniels wrote: > > There are many common tasks that parties could direct their attention > toward. This happens at companies, prison cafeterias, and churches. > That it is grounded in a particular way doesn't make it any truer, or > anyone more committed to it. We are often forced to participate in > cultures we don't care about, and faking it is an important skill. Just > because someone sweats or gets calluses or tolerates others' inappropriate > emotions in some circle of people, doesn't mean there is any affinity > toward that circle. Oh look, he dug a hole. I dug a hole. Sure, I'd > do those kind of performative activities if I were a politician, as I bet > there are people who think this way. > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Friam <friam-boun...@redfish.com> On Behalf Of glen > > Sent: Friday, September 2, 2022 12:06 AM > > To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group < > friam@redfish.com> > > Subject: Re: [FRIAM] more structure-based mind-reading > > > > And, of course, there is no such thing except appearance. What could it > possibly mean to say that an appearance of a bond exists, but no actual > bond exists? > > > > On September 1, 2022 7:29:45 PM PDT, Marcus Daniels < > mar...@snoutfarm.com> wrote: > >> If you want to create the appearance of a bond where none exists, get > to work. Once one recognizes the nature of work it is easy. > >> > >> On Sep 1, 2022, at 6:25 PM, Prof David West <profw...@fastmail.fm> > wrote: > >> > >> > >>From glen: "If you want to share values with some arbitrary shmoe, then > get to > >> *work*. Build something or cooperate on a common task. Talking, > >> communicating, is inadequate at best, disinfo at worst." > >> > >> This is kinda the whole point of Participant Observation at the core of > cultural anthropology. The premise is you cannot truly understand a culture > until you live it. > >> > >> Of course, there is still a boundary, a separation, between the > anthropologist and those with whom she interacts, but sweat, calluses, > blood, and emotions go a long way toward establishing actual understanding. > >> > >> davew > >> > >> On Thu, Sep 1, 2022, at 12:30 PM, Steve Smith wrote: > >> > >> > >> On 9/1/22 11:21 AM, glen wrote: > >> Inter-brain synchronization occurs without physical co-presence during > cooperative online gaming > >> https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0028393222001750 > >> > >> There's a lot piled into the aggregate measures of EEG. And the mere > fact of the canalization conflates the unifying tendencies of the objective > (shared purpose) with that of the common structure (virtual world, > interface, body, brain). But overall, it argues against this guru focus on > "sense-making" (hermeneutic, monistic reification) and helps argue for the > fundamental plurality, openness, and stochasticity of "language games". > >> > >> If you want to share values with some arbitrary shmoe, then get to > *work*. Build something or cooperate on a common task. Talking, > communicating, is inadequate at best, disinfo at worst. > >> > >> I agree somewhat with the spirit of this, however a recent writer/book > I discovered is Sand Talk< > https://www.harpercollins.com/products/sand-talk-tyson-yunkaporta?variant=32280908103714> > by Tyson Yunkaporta and more specifically his references to "Yarning" in > his indigenous Australian culture offered me a complementary perspective... > >> > >> I definitely agree that the "building of something together" is a > powerful world-building/negotiating/collaborative/seeking experience. The > social sciences use the term Boundary Object< > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boundary_object> and Boundary Negotiation > Artifact. Jenny and I wrote a draft white-paper on the topic of the > SimTable as a "boundary negotiating artifact" last time she visited > (2019?). A lot of computer-graphics/visualization products provide fill > this role, but the physicality of a sand-table with it's tactility and > multiple perspectives add yet more. The soap-box racer or fort you build > with your friend as a kid provides the same. The bulk of my best > relationships in life involved "building something together" whether it be > a software system or a house... > > > -- > ꙮ Mɥǝu ǝlǝdɥɐuʇs ɟᴉƃɥʇ' ʇɥǝ ƃɹɐss snɟɟǝɹs˙ ꙮ > > -. --- - / ...- .- .-.. .. -.. / -- --- .-. ... . / -.-. --- -.. . > FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv > Fridays 9a-12p Friday St. Johns Cafe / Thursdays 9a-12p Zoom > https://bit.ly/virtualfriam > to (un)subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com > FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ > archives: 5/2017 thru present > https://redfish.com/pipermail/friam_redfish.com/ > 1/2003 thru 6/2021 http://friam.383.s1.nabble.com/ >
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