Re: [gatortalk] AUBURN IS BURNING

Cecilia Thu, 18 Nov 2010 13:19:01 -0800

Even if Cam had no knowledge, if money was solicited by and paid to his family 
by AU boosters, that's a violation... a biiiiiig violation.

Whatever happens, it'll be good sport to watch it unfold.

Cee

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Depends on who you ask. Been listening to several "experts" on various radio
shows. Some say yes some say maybe not. Their argument was if anything did
happen and Cam had no knowledge then Cam may be fine. Of course, the counter
argument to that is how can Cam not know. Which goes back to my comment that we
just do not know enough to say one way or the other. If there are txt msgs that
happened.. Those can be recovered. If money was exchanged.. That can be
tracked. Fine.. Where is that proof? Thats all im tryin to say.

Woody (via iPhone)

On Nov 18, 2010, at 3:02 PM, "Jay Cicone" <jay.cic...@raymondjames.com> wrote:

I don’t think it matters what Cam did. If his father solicited money, it’s
a violation….I think?

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yes. The FBI is investigating.

Yes.. the NCAA is investigating.

But we dont know that they have found anything criminal or corrupt yet.
And youll excuse me for saying.. Fla was once also accused and charged with
just as scandalous of behavior... does that mean UF is corrupt? Does that mean
Bama is corrupt after their incident? The answer is no obviously... but lets
not jump to conclusions about Cam or Auburn till we know for sure.

There are no facts (so far) that Cam has done anything wrong.

Woody

On Thu, Nov 18, 2010 at 2:50 PM, Stephen Manuel <srman...@bellsouth.net>
wrote:

What do you mean no facts ??

We know that MSU alleged that they were approached by people stating they
represented Cam Newton and wanted money for him to sign with MSU. This has been
verified by numerous people.

We know the FBI is involved and have questioned MSU representatives.

We know that Auburn has a long and distinguished history of cheating.

We know that Bobby Lowder and other AU boosters have corrupted the AU
program for a long time.

We know that Lowder’s Bank went under.

We know that Auburn Boosters have been arrested for bribing Politicians.

We know that the FBI has wiretapped numerous phones in the investigation of
Lowder and other AU boosters over Bank and Gambling issues.

I’ve followed and been involved in recruiting for over 25 years, only the
most diehard Auburn Fan would not believe they are in deep doo doo.

Does anyone honestly believe that MSU was told it will take 100-180K to get
Cam Newton and all of a sudden he signs with Auburn for Free ??

The one thing that will absolutely kill Auburn is if the FBI has Auburn
boosters on tape discussing who/what/when and how Auburn Players are getting
paid.

I’m 99% sure that they do.

I still believe this has the potential to be the biggest scandal in
College Football History.

Stephen Manuel

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Tooo much speculation... no facts. Yes.. I agree that where there is smoke
there is fire... but a) we dont know that Cam himself had anything to do with
this. (yet) b) We dont know that Auburn did anything wrong (yet).

No.. its not looking good IF you go by all the reports. By the way.. some
of those reports have also already been refuted (including the so call
confernece call with Meyer and Mullen).. and until these so called "sources"
come to light... its all speculation and its all just a whole lotta whooey
probably over nothing.

Its like I told my Auburn friend the other day.........if Cam did nothing
wrong.. he (and Auburn) has nothing to worry about. End of story.

Woody

On Thu, Nov 18, 2010 at 1:27 PM, Stephen Manuel <srman...@bellsouth.net>
wrote:

I don’t post very often but when something comes up that is just to big and
too interesting I want to share it.

I’m sure most are following the Cam Newton Saga, I’ll admit I was not that
interested in the story until recently, I have a Nephew that’s an Auburn Grad,
I told him based on my experience, it’s probably true that Auburn was buying
players. I went on to say, if you hear the FBI is involved, then you will know
for sure it’s true and to expect major probation for Auburn.

Today when I heard that the FBI had interviewed several MSU people about
the play for pay scheme involving Cam Newton, my interest level went up
considerably.

I thought the reason the FBI might get involved is that price allegedly
involved was 100-180 K, that amount of money changing hands undocumented will
get the FBI’s interest.

However, I am dumbfounded at that the amount of information/gossip/rumor
out there about this case. Not only is the FBI involved, but just about every
major booster at Auburn is involved, state politicians are involved, federal
indictments are involved, murder for hire has been mentioned, this case has the
potential to turn into the biggest scandal in College Football History….

I’ll give you 4 links and let you judge for yourself, but I warn, make sure
you have a couple of hours to sit down and digest all that’s out there.

From Tigerdroppings.com an LSU website…start here

http://www.tigerdroppings.com/rant/MessageTopic.asp?p=22778676&Pg=1

TMZ.com about the FBI and Auburn:

http://www.tmz.com/2010/11/17/cam-newton-fbi-investigation-probe-auburn-university-booster-milton-mcgregor-sec-football-ncaa/

Tuskegee Newspaper article about Lobbyists/Gambling/Bobby Lowder and
Political Corruption
http://www.thetuskegeenews.com/articles/2010/10/21/opinion/doc4cbf59b3eea05796017322.txt

AL.com article about major Auburn Booster linked to Cam Newton getting
indicted, plus murder for hire.

http://blog.al.com/spotnews/2010/10/11_alabama_legislators_lobbyis.html

I don’t vouch for any of the information, just to say, when there is this
much smoke a HUGE MAJOR fire must be burning somewhere.

Stephen Manuel

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