Hi Tibor and all, On Sun, 2009-08-02 at 07:11 +0200, igor2 wrote: > On Sat, 1 Aug 2009, evan foss wrote: > > >You know the mechanical people have a livecd or I think it is dvd now. > >Perhaps we should have an electronics live disk of some kind? > > For a few semesters I was teaching gschem/pcb for undergrads. In the very > first semester I tried with live cd (one I built myself) but it didn't > work out as good as I expected. Reasons for this, in my opinion, are > little issues: some seemingly unimportant convention of windows that > windows users are so got used to that they do not want to switch to > anything else, even if what they are currently using is the worst possible > way of doing that thing. Some examples (and possible solutions): > > - window manager; there are ways to make the live cd run a very similar > window manager that windows has, but it will never be the same. Any little > difference will annoy windows users. > > - command line; most of windows users believe if you need to type commands > or you see a prompt, that's the sign you are doing something wrong. On > this, xgsch2pcb helped a lot but... > > - ... but "these are separate programs, tools are not integrated, omg, > this will be very complicated how could i ever learn this?" Really, this > was one of the big surprises for my students, that doing different tasks > can be best achieved by using different tools. And this is not even about > hjaving back annotation, it's purely about having everything in one big > window. I am rather sure if anyone would come up with a tool that > integrates xgsch2pcb, gschem and pcb into a single window with tabs, > these users won't ever notice they are separate programs even if mouse > commands are different in each window. > ... <more stuff deleted here>
Here is my EUR 0.02 on the subject: I think Fritzing is a better suited app for the undergrad windoze peoples. With Fritzing they can have a schematic, breadboard and final proto pcb, all in one window with tabs, using combined parts, containing symbol, footprint and breadboard part artwork. Add a toporouter for the pcb part and you have outdone most of the competition. The concept is very appealing, maybe someday a gFritzing port will be made :) OTOH, It is a single type of workflow, no simulation or deviation possible. Kind regards, Bert Timmerman. _______________________________________________ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user