Hello again, I have figured out the answers to some of my questions regarding DC on xDSL by talking to a support engineer at Midcom, one of the vendors for the custom transformer parts used for xDSL. (Trying to get support from the SDSL transceiver chip vendor would have been hopeless as it's Mindspeed, but I hadn't previously thought of trying the transformer vendor instead.) Here is what I've got:
* The most pimped-out design for an ISDN/IDSL/SDSL/SHDSL subscriber terminal (the kind that would be made by someone who likes to cover every possible corner case and has the parts and PCB real estate to spare) uses a fancy DC termination scheme. DC through the line transformer's winding is blocked with a cap, but another device is connected in parallel across the line which provides the fancy DC termination. Lucent's LH1465 ISDN DC termination IC is the example I am familiar with. The DC termination is fancy in that the device presents a high DC resistance until the voltage reaches a certain threshold; then it "switches on" and the DC resistance becomes quite low; it then stays "on" for as long as the current flowing through it remains above another threshold. There is yet another threshold for the maximum allowed current; when that one is reached, the device increases its DC resistance to limit that current. Finally, the presence or absence of DC current is indicated to the ISDN device's microprocessor via an optocoupler. Fancy indeed. The stuff above is what I already knew prior to my original inquiry. * The subject of my inquiry was devices made for SDSL and IDSL (rather than ISDN or SHDSL) which do away with the expensive fanciness described above on the presumption/realisation that it would be a waste of effort and parts because the SDSL/IDSL lines in North America don't have intentional DC on them. In the absence of intentional DC on the line one does away with the LH1465 or equivalent, but there remains the question of what to do with the DC blocking capacitor: leave it in or take it out? The choice made in the design of dominant SDSL CPE devices from Copper Mountain, Netopia and Inefficient Networks has been to leave the cap in, and that is what I have reproduced on my OSDCU. The Midcom support engineer didn't have a clear answer to this question either except to confirm that their HDSL/SDSL transformers have been designed with the provision for DC flowing through them and that they are guaranteed to perform within specs with up to 160 mA flowing through the primary winding. (160 mA is a lot, all the specs I've seen for over-the-line powering of remote terminals and repeaters say the limit is 60 mA.) I have decided to leave the DC blocking cap on the OSDCU board in place in any future revisions because: a) In the CPE application I simply "do like the others" and that's what I'll tell to anyone who asks :-) b) In the CO application with DC power feeding we do need an open rather a short in there as explained below. * Now moving on to the question of interest to me: how would one provide DC power on the line if such a thing was needed. I've asked the Midcom support engineer the same question I had asked on this list: is it better to apply the DC power to the centre split or outside the transformer? The Midcom guy agreed with my reasoning that either way ought to work, and the discussion then turned to the question of why they have designed their transformers to work with up to 160 mA of DC when the requirement could have been avoided if one simply opted to apply the DC feed in parallel with the DC-blocked winding. The Midcom guy explained to me that the core needs to be gapped in order to make the transformer DC-tolerant, but since they also need to gap the core in order to provide the required primary inductance (the SDSL transceiver chip requires the custom transformer to dual-function as a high-pass filter with a precisely specified primary inductance), it appears that making the transformers DC-tolerant didn't cost them much extra. While the only authoritative answer was that Midcom had designed their transformers with the specs that they have (including the 160 mA DC current) because that's what the SDSL chip vendor had asked them to make, by analysing the situation rationally we came to the conclusion that applying the DC source or load to the centre split and letting the feeding current flow through the winding results in a smaller part count. If one were to apply DC in parallel with the DC-blocked winding, the DC power supply would at the minimum need a big inductor at its output in order to provide a high impedance at the data signal frequencies, whereas if one applies DC to the centre split, the transformer itself takes care of that. * The conclusion I have reached for any SDSL designs that we may create in the open source community is as follows: + On the OSDCU we can keep things simple by leaving the DC blocking cap where it is and not providing any extra taps beyond the main SDSL jack. The vast majority of users would use it as a CPE device or perhaps a non-power-feeding CO terminal, and it would simply work as is. Those very special users who would like to use it as a CO terminal with DC power feeding would be able to connect an external power supply (including the big inductors or whatever is needed for high impedance at the data signal frequencies) in parallel to the SDSL pair coming out of the OSDCU. Leaving the DC blocking cap inside the OSDCU as it is would be quite important for this application scenario, as otherwise any attached DC supply would be shorted locally! + If we ever design an SDSL repeater or some other device that needs to draw power from the line as an inherent feature, we can make use of the high DC current capability of Midcom's transformers and connect the DC load to the centre split without much extra effort. * Regarding future revisions of the OSDCU board, there is no need to bring out taps for access to the line transformer's centre split. I would however like to do something better with the transient voltage suppressor's earth ground pin than what I'm doing currently. On the current board this pin is wired to a via that is supposed to accommodate a single header post, but I now realise that what I have is not terribly useful. I am reluctant to connect it to the chassis ground, and I think that the principle of "first, do no harm" would be better fulfilled by bringing this pin out to some kind of screw terminal post on the rear panel. The user can then either leave it unconnected (resulting in a situation identical to the mainstream SDSL CPE devices which use 2-terminal TVSs with no Earth ground connection) or connect it to a really good Earth ground with a dedicated green wire. What I need to find then is a single-circuit screw terminal block that would solder onto the PCB and protrude on the edge like a connector, and hopefully be as compact as possible so that it can be squeezed into the rear panel of the OSDCU. Any suggestions? MS _______________________________________________ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user