Yes, I completely agree with that approach. Let's leave the judgments for
others...
On 12/22/10 3:23 PM, "Stefano Salsano" <stefano.sals...@uniroma2.it> wrote:
> as a co-author, I understand the concerns raised by Brian and I agree
> with Peter's proposals to address them
>
> We can clarify that the goal of this draft is not to endorse the
> long-polling techniques (but rather to present the known issues and the
> counter-measures that try to mitigate these issues)
>
> I do think we should not go further and add a judgemental statement
> along the line of Brian's comment ("This is real example of protocol
> abuse. HTTP wasn't designed for this and doesn't do this properly")
>
> but I think that we can more neutrally add a sentence stating that the
> proposed techniques stretch the original semantic of HTTP and that the
> HTTP protocol was not designed for this use... which is a fact rather
> than a judgement.
>
> Stefano
>
> Peter Saint-Andre wrote:
>> On 12/3/10 8:44 PM, "Brian E Carpenter" <brian.e.carpen...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> This is real example of protocol abuse. HTTP wasn't designed for
>>> this and doesn't do this properly.
>>
>> Which is why folks who are currently using long-polling techniques are
>> actively contributing to the HYBI WG.
>>
>>> The draft is non-judgmental,
>>> and that might be a mistake.
>>
>> The draft is Informational and therefore isn't really in a position to pass
>> judgments. All it is trying to say is: we know that long-polling techniques
>> have many issues, but if you're going to use these techniques then at least
>> try to do so with some modicum of intelligence. We're making the best of a
>> bad situation, and if the HYBI WG is successful then hopefully people won't
>> feel the need for long-polling techniques in the future.
>>
>>> Personally, if I was in the IESG,
>>> I'd be considering a "holding my nose" ABSTAIN ballot
>>
>> I'll be balloting RECUSE.
>>
>>> unless some
>>> text stating that the methods described are really bad ideas
>>> was added.
>>
>> I'd have no problem with adding a sentence or two to the effect that
>> long-polling is a temporary hack that emerged from the applications
>> community and will hopefully be superseded by technologies that aren't so
>> abusive of HTTP. I'll confer with my co-authors about wordsmithing, if they
>> agree that it's a good idea to add such text.
>>
>> Peter
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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