On 2013-09-28 4:17 PM, Neil Bothwick <n...@digimed.co.uk> wrote:
On Sat, 28 Sep 2013 19:04:41 +0000, Alan Mackenzie wrote:
I suppose that what I am about to say isn't really relevant, but it is
unfortunate over the past year that people blamed udev specifically
for this. It is true that it does things that don't work if /usr isn't
mounted, but eudev does as well, since it is basically the same code.
Who else is there to blame? We are continually being told that a
separate /usr is "broken", as though this were some unfortunate act of
<insert your deity here>, much like an earthquake. This gets
patronising really quickly. (Please note, I'm NOT blaming you here. I
appreciate that you're as much victim as Dale or me or anyone else
round here.)
It's evolution. Linux has for years been moving in this direction, now it
has reached the point where the Gentoo devs can no longer devote the
increasing time needed to support what has now become an dge case.
So the solution is to give users one MONTH to prepare? Why not 6 months,
or better, a year? What for gods sake is the rush???
Where are the links/pointers to the INTERNAL discussions of this
decision? I seriously want to know. If gentoo devs are not willing to
provide a 'paper trail' for how this decision was arrived at, and let
others judge their decisions based on the merits of their arguments,
then what does that say about their true motivations/intentions?
Again, I don't have a problem necessarily with what is being decided (no
separate /usr without an initramfs), my problem is with the
implementation - giving us one MONTH before we can expect possible
breakage with each and every update.
The other HUGE thing that worries me, and has me seriously considering
switching to FreeBSD NOW, is, maybe there really is a secret, underlying
ulterior motive to force both systemd AND an initramfs for everyone in
ALL use cases. If that is the case, then say so now, and give those of
us who do not want this advanced notice, and I'll just plan on setting
my gentoo box to never update on Nov 1, and start working on learning
FreeBSD and if necessary, pay someone to help me migrate services to it.
But before I do that, I guess due diligence demands that I now go to the
FreeBSD support lists/forums (whatever they use) to confirm that FreeBSD
does NOT and never WILL require an initramfs (preferably the reason
being architectural differences in the kernel itself). Thankfully they
have their own init system, so no worrying about systemd invading
there... I hope...
