I'm AHMAD NAJIB. It is 2021/10/28 13:39:54. I'll reply on Re: H-Net* RE: The Star:No one can object to of mail from Sdr Luqman, You think that by attaching yourself to umno you are making efforts to influence umno from within. How many umno members having the same vision as you are? What is your position in umno right now ? What are your strategies to gear up and expand your wing? How will you handle setbacks on issues related to Islam voiced out by your leaders? How will you compromise on the rejection of part of Islamic requirements by your leaders? Do you think that you and umno will have better chance when Mahadhir is no longer in power? If you have positive answers for all those questions, please go ahead.. but please do not try to influence the rest of us, because we are sticking to the principles..!!!! We move as a team in a very clear direction.."ka anna hum bunyanum marsus". Not faded nor clouded. 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Hantarkan ke iklan@hizbi.net } > *~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~* > PAS : KE ARAH PEMERINTAHAN ISLAM YANG ADIL > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >w'salam, > >yes, to correct other muslims brother is NEVER a waste of time. >but to do it from the inside, is a waste of time, >so far this is true. > >to unite umno-pas is the job of both party leaders. > >malas nak bersubahat dgn group yg nyata tidak menerima ISLAM. >do not quit making dakwah to others. > >wassalam > >>From: "luqman ismael" >>To: "kita ." >>CC: "Hizbi-Net" >>Subject: Re: H-Net* RE: The Star:No one can object to >>Date: Sat, 28 Oct 2000 12:28:26 +0800 >> >>akum, >> >>doing good things.....trying to correct other Islamic brothers >>is NEVER a waste of time.....this is a kinda dakwah..... >>i f u people dont wanna help us...then fine.....but dont tell us >>to quit doin right things..... umno got 1 mil members.... >>u wont be able to get all of them into PAS.......but u can unite umno-pas >>if u got the leaders replaced or corrected......only umno people can >>replace >>umno leaders....... >> >>--[ ORaNG MuDE ]-- >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: kita . >>To: ; >>Cc: >>Sent: Saturday, October 28, 2000 12:18 PM >>Subject: Re: H-Net* RE: The Star:No one can object to >> >> >> > >> > assalamualaikum, >> > >> > insyaAllah, >> > if everybody join PAS, there will no more UMNO, >> > UMNO will be a history. I think that is better, >> > to join UMNO, is to waste your time. >> > >> > wassalam >> > >> > >> > >From: "luqman ismael" >> > >To: >> > >CC: "Hizbi-Net" >> > >Subject: Re: H-Net* RE: The Star:No one can object to >> > >Date: Sat, 28 Oct 2000 00:26:23 +0800 >> > > >> > > >> > > *~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~* >> > > { Sila lawat Laman Hizbi-Net - http://www.hizbi.net } >> > > { Hantarkan mesej anda ke: hizb@hizbi.net } >> > > { Iklan barangan? Hantarkan ke iklan@hizbi.net } >> > > *~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~* >> > > PAS : KE ARAH PEMERINTAHAN ISLAM YANG ADIL >> > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >> > >akum brothers, >> > > >> > >yes...i know Abu Jahal dont take orders from Nabi....and so >> > >with Nabi.....but what i tried to show from the story is we should >> > >not give up in doin good things....correcting UMNO in this case..... >> > >and I wont join other party.....why?....have u ever read book >> > >written by anti-Zionism.....if u havent i suggest u to read >> > >International Jews...written by Henry Ford.....in this book...it 's >>stated >> > >clearly that democracy is a tool of the Jews......Jews created many >>system >> > >like democracy, liberalism, communism...but they never use them.... >> > >they created such system just to disunite the umat.........and it >> > >seems that they managed to achieve that objective in our >>country......if >>we >> > >look back at >> > >Muslim Empire....none of them practise democracy....instead they >>practise >> > >syura.... >> > >....i dont want to help those bloody Jews in achieving their target in >> > >disuniting the umat.....so the best way is to stick with >>UMNO...correcting >> > >them from inside...if we failed to bring improvement.......Madey will >>die >> > >soon to....and people like us are going to replace them........ >> > >i have seen many people dying....but many of them recovered too.....by >> > >correcting UMNO...the umat's unity will be >> > >secured.........there's no point of joining another party just because >>our >> > >previous attempt to correct them failed..... >> > >because if nobody wanna correct UMNO....UMNO and PAS will be against >>each >> > >other forever...and this will >> > >bring adverse effect to the umat.....we must think the unity of >>umat....not >> > >the party.... >> > >furthermore.....in doing good things...Allah wont see the fruit...but >>He >> > >will see how we achieve it.....whether we do it >> > >for the unity of umat.......ok...now we think if PAS won the >> > >Parlimen....will the umat be unite again?....hell no.... >> > >UMNO will be the opposition and will still go against PAS.....umat will >> > >never be united......(good news for Jews...huh..?) >> > >that's why the umat need people like them....to improve UMNO......i >>dont >> > >care >> > >if none of the opposition >> > >want to help them or not.....we are doing it because of the umat.....we >> > >will >> > >still try to do our best ..even if Madey wanna kill us >> > >because of it....we dont wanna run from the problem......(like many of >>us >> > >did).... >> > >nabi...in one of his Hadis said this umat will be doomed if they r >>afraid >> > >of >> > >death.....we dont afraid of Madey..... >> > >we will continue DSA vision.....no matter what happen...this is the >>best >> > >solution for umat.....patah tumbuh hilang berganti.... >> > >--[ ORaNG MuDE ]-- >> > > >> > >----- Original Message ----- >> > >From: >> > >To: luqman ismael >> > >Sent: Friday, October 27, 2000 4:13 PM >> > >Subject: Re: H-Net* RE: The Star:No one can object to >> > > >> > > >> > > > >> > > > Dear Brother, >> > > > >> > > > The issue of trying to improve UMNO from within has been mentioned >>many >> > > > times B4. >> > > > You mentioned a number of times about the relationship of Muhammad >>SAW >> > >and >> > > > Abu Jahal. >> > > > >> > > > There is a big difference though. >> > > > Abu Jahal did not get order from Muhammad SAW. >> > > > Muhammad Rasulullah did not get order from Abu Jahal. >> > > > They were mutually exclusive, they worked independent from each >>other. >> > > > >> > > > Muhammad Rasulullah never strengthen Abu Jahal and Abu Jahal never >>lent >> > >his >> > > > strength to Muhammad Rasulullah. >> > > > They opposed to each other. >> > > > >> > > > The big problem here is when you are part of UMNO, inevitably, you >>will >> > > > support those who are seeking the destruction of Islam in a very >>subtle >> > > > way. You, as a grassroot supporter of that old man, will support him >>by >> > > > joining his party and lend support for all the moves that he is >>making. >> > > > >> > > > The old man lives and prospers until today due to support by people >>like >> > > > you, don't you know that ? >> > > > >> > > > Muhammad Rasulullah did not do things like that. He maintained his >> > >position >> > > > despite fierce opposition from people like Abu Jahal. When the >>Mushrikin >> > > > wanted to compromise on matters pertaining faith, Muhammad >>Rasulullah >> > > > responded with Al Kafirun, loud and clear. >> > > > >> > > > I beg you don't get into this illusion of improving UMNO from >>within. >> > > > Join us, together we work towards a better living under the soon to >>be >> > > > installed Islamic government. >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > "luqman >> > > > ismael" To: >> >> > > > > > > >> > > > .net.my> Subject: Re: H-Net* RE: >>The >> > >Star:No one can >> > > > Sent by: object to >> > > > owner-hizb@hi >> > > > zbi.net >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > 10/27/00 >> > > > 01:10 PM >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > *~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~* >> > > > { Sila lawat Laman Hizbi-Net - http://www.hizbi.net } >> > > > { Hantarkan mesej anda ke: hizb@hizbi.net } >> > > > { Iklan barangan? Hantarkan ke iklan@hizbi.net } >> > > > *~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~* >> > > > PAS : KE ARAH PEMERINTAHAN ISLAM YANG ADIL >> > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >> > > > akum Sdr Najib, >> > > > >> > > > yes....i know some of the the leaders have negative mindset >>regarding >> > > > islamic issues....but i dont believe if there's no one in UMNO >> > > > is trying to achieve our DS Anwar visions........i know many people >> > > > in Pemuda UMNO who are having the same vision as him......but they >> > > > dont wanna give up.....they still wanna correct UMNO from inside.... >> > > > that's why many of them r still in UMNO.......once we failed ..that >> > >doesnt >> > > > mean >> > > > we should stop.........our prophet taught us not to stop in >>correcting >> > >our >> > > > Muslim.......in his dakwah.... >> > > > nabi met Abu Jahal 97 times.......just to tell him the same >> > >thing....Allah >> > > > is your God....and Abu Jahal hit him many times because of it. but >>nabi >> > > > didnt give up until Abu Jahal's death......now is there anyone out >>there >> > > > (especially PAS) >> > > > who is going to support those in UMNO who r having the same vision >>as >> > > > Anwar....?...... >> > > > i dont think so.............but personally.....i think they must >>support >> > > > those in UMNO with that vision if >> > > > they struggle for Islam because of Allah......if they struggle for >> > >politic >> > > > and power......then they dont need to..... >> > > > >> > > > ----- Original Message ----- >> > > > From: >> > > > To: ; ; >> > > > Sent: Friday, October 27, 2000 8:22 AM >> > > > Subject: Re: H-Net* RE: The Star:No one can object to >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > I'm NAJIB. It is 2021/10/27 09:03:10. >> > > > I'll reply on Re: H-Net* RE: The Star:No one can object to of mail >>from >> > > > [@BASE64] luqmanz@time.net.my. >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > Dear Br. Luqman, >> > > > >> > > > I would like to make some comments regarding your opinion on hudud. >> > > > First of all, I would encourage you to refer back to the past >>history >> > > > of the Umno struggle since it's establishment. >> > > > It did not mention and has never clearly defined its struggle to >>uphold >> > > > Islam in its >> > > > true meaning. It has been the main ruling party since 40 years. 40 >>years >> > > > is not a very short time if you really want to implement something >>in >>a >> > > > very >> > > > systematic approach such as "menarik rambut dari tepung". >> > > > >> > > > Furthermore, there have been many remarks form its top leaders on >>many >> > > > occations >> > > > on islamic issues which potrayed their antagonistic mindsets on >>islam. >> > > > One of the most austaunding statement is from current PM on sunnah >> > >nabi. >> > > > >> > > > I think you should realise the image of former deputy PM DS Anwar as >>the >> > > > reformer in umno especially on making changes from within on islamic >> > >issues >> > > > . >> > > > His mission in umno to change umno from inside in order to make it >>like >> > > > "menarik rambut dari tepung". 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