That is a good point that I had not completely thought thru about the
tape lengths. So forget about what I said. 

Jim Dodds
Systems Programmer
Kentucky State University
400 East Main Street
Frankfort, Ky 40601
502 597 6114


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Can't do that, unless you can guarantee that the tapes at the remote
site
are longer than the local copy (which would be unlikely). When the
backup
runs, writing to a given pair of tapes ends when the first one hits EOT.

You would also need to a complete copy of the tapes, labels and all,
because the tapes are chained together with user labels.

If you couldn't do that, then the copy utility would have have to be
smart
enough to generate the user label records according to VM:Backup specs.
Since the VMBACKUP catalog wouldn't know about these tapes, any restores
would have to be done using VMBRITS or VMBSAR.

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I think in the case of having to run 2 backups jobs I would run one
backup job and then run a utility job to copy the 1st set of tapes to
the remote set of tapes.

Jim Dodds
Systems Programmer
Kentucky State University
400 East Main Street
Frankfort, Ky 40601
502 597 6114


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From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Mark Llewellyn
Sent: Thursday, June 05, 2008 4:13 PM
To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU
Subject: VM:Backup: Twinning Tapes to Remote Tape Unit

Greetings,

We are ramping up our Technical Recovery Plan, and intend to use
channel-
extended tape units at a remote location when performing our regular
full
and incremental backups.

We use CA's VM:BACKUP for file-level backups, and will be using VM:HiDRO

to capture the system image.  We're curious as to whether any other CA
customers are using the synchronous tape "twinning" feature with one
local
tape unit and one remote.  We've been cautioned by our network folks
that
the response time from the remote tape unit would be quite a limiting
factor affecting the speed of a synchronous, twinned backup.

Our other option is to simply run two backup jobs, one to the local
drive
and one to the remote, but that effectively doubles the hit of the
backup
jobs.

Any anecdotes or insight would be most welcome!

Mark Llewellyn
VM Systems Support
Visa, Inc.

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