Thanks, Chadwell ji. To me it appears close to Androsace globifera as per the following images (though I may or may not be correct): http://www.phytoimages.siu.edu/imgs/Cusman1/r/Primulaceae_Androsace_ globifera_93803.html https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Androsace_globifera_3.JPG https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Androsace_globifera#/media/ File:Androsace_globifera.jpg https://www.nargs.org/plant/androsace-globifera http://phytoimages.siu.edu/imgs/Cusman1/r/Primulaceae_ Androsace_globifera_70529.html http://garden.org/plants/view/133923/Rock-Jasmine-Androsace-globifera/ http://kallima.sk/species.php?plant=51
On 17 November 2016 at 19:07, C CHADWELL <[email protected]> wrote: > Dr Rawat has kindly sent me the description of Androsace garwhalicum. The > photos taken in the > VoF are definitely not A.mucronifolia. > > We are currently checking through Androsaces recorded from India. There > are quite a number of taxa > where confusion/uncertainty exists. I am in agreement with Dr Nasir in > 'Primulaceae' (Flora of Pakistan) that > past records for this A.globifera in "the Punjab" are misidentifications. > One of the specimens seems to be > Androsace baltistanica whilst the other is likely to prove to be. I am > currently attempting to familiarise > myself with the latter species and how it is distinguished from similar > species in Ladakh. A.baltistanica was > not know to Stewart in his 'Annotated Catalogue...' > > I do not understand on what basis Androsace garwhalicum has become a > Primula! Is there DNA > or other non-morphological evidence to support this new combination? It > looks like an Androsace to me..... > > I am attempting to familiarise myself with this species and how to > distinguish it from similar species and work > out which species it is likely to have been mistaken for in the past. In > the description Dr Rawat sent there is a key > distinguishing it from A.selagini (which I have not heard of) which is > apparently another new name (though no > author is given) for A.selago Hook.f. & Thoms. > > Since A.selago is not recorded for Uttarakhand or indeed Nepal though is > found in Bhutan, Sikkim & Chumbi, > it would have been helpful if the authors had told us how to distinguish > this new species from those already > recorded from the region such as A.globifera, which at present I think it > the most likely species it was mistaken > for in the past. Given the challenges this genus present and lack of good > reference descriptions such information > would have been useful for all those concerned. > > According to 'Flora of Bhutan' (Vol 2 Part 2, 1999) Grierson & Long felt > that A.selago and A.tapete are variable species > which appear to intergrade. Further research is needed on their > distinction. Treatment as varieties may be more > appropriate. > > *Please can group members look out for an make a special effort to > photograph Androsaces in the years to come* > *both from higher and lower altitudes as knowing where > (geographically-speaking) at what altitude and in which* > *habitats, each species is found, represents meaningful information - as > well as helping work out abundance (or* > *not). Good close-ups of flowers (incl. petals & sepals) along with > foliage will contribute towards us being able to* > *distinguish between similar species with greater certainty.* > > *I personally, would be particularly pleased to view good close-ups of > Androsaces from Ladakh to help me become* > *clearer about the differences between A.baltistanica, A.robusta and > A.muscoidea in that region. I am reasonably clear* > *about A.mucronifolia, A.sempervivoides, A.septentrionalis & A.thomsonii > which are also recorded from Ladakh.* > > > Best Wishes, > > > Chris Chadwell > > > 81 Parlaunt Road > SLOUGH > SL3 8BE > UK > > www.shpa.org.uk > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > *From:* J.M. Garg <[email protected]> > *To:* efloraofindia <[email protected]>; Prashant awale < > [email protected]>; Dr. Pankaj Kumar <[email protected]>; Dinesh > Valke <[email protected]>; Gurcharan Singh <[email protected]>; > [email protected]; D.S Rawat <[email protected]> > *Sent:* Thursday, 17 November 2016, 12:38 > *Subject:* Fwd: [efloraofindia:126083] VoF Week: Primulaceae - Androsace > mucronifolia Watt > > Forwarding again for Id assistance please. > Some earlier relevant feedback: > I am confused by this. It certainly appears to be an Androsace rather > than a Primula. > > I can say with confidence that it is *not* Androsace mucronifolia - in > fact the plant from VOF is not remotely similar to A.mucronifolia. This > species is only > recorded from Aghanistan to Kashmir, so would not be expected in VOF > anyhow. > > The image does seem to match the posting named as Androsace garhwalica > (Primula garhwalica). *I am not familiar with this species. Clearly it > has been named by Indian botanists. Could someone tell me the publication > this species was described in and how it is distinguished from related > species?* -- > > From Chris Chadwell ji. > See more discussions in another thread at VOF Week: : Androsace > mucronifolia? en-route Hemkund sahib > <https://groups.google.com/forum/?hl=en&fromgroups#!topic/indiantreepix/UKNhLijs5b0> > > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: *Dr Pankaj Kumar* <[email protected]> > Date: 25 August 2012 at 18:56 > Subject: [efloraofindia:126083] VoF Week: Primulaceae - Androsace > mucronifolia Watt > To: [email protected] > > > Androsace mucronifolia Watt in J. Linn. Soc. 18:381. t. xiv B. 1882. > > Family: Primulaceae > Distribution: E. Afghanistan, N.W. Himalaya, W. Tibet, W. 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