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Dr. Gurcharan Singh Retired Associate Professor SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007 Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018. Mob: 9810359089 https://www.gurcharanfamily.com/ On Wed, Jan 13, 2021 at 7:30 PM Chennuru Nagendra < [email protected]> wrote: > Anthocephalus cadamba > > On Wednesday, January 13, 2021, Gurcharan Singh <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> Forwarding again for ID >> Distributed as Neolamarckia cadamba ? >> <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/species/m---z/r/rubiaceae/neolamarckia/neolamarckia-cadamba-1> >> >> Group discussion at >> Large Leaf tree Sapling Is it Tectona Grandis? UD 8212011 002 >> (google.com) >> <https://groups.google.com/g/indiantreepix/c/Z0iMJOtguWQ/m/lII8fEPCctsJ> >> >> >> On Sunday, November 13, 2011 at 6:24:27 PM UTC+5:30 Ushadi wrote: >> >>> Dear Mr. Garg and All: >>> >>> I am not convinced its THE KADAMBA tree with a normal Genetic code..... >>> I personally think it may have be a genetic malformation of it.. >>> >>> UPDATE... about month after these pictures were taken... the leaves >>> became brown, withered and drooped down, didn't have a camera so no pics >>> ... and next day when I went back to take pictures the KMC folks hd cut >>> down the tree so no pics... I have meant to update this thread... >>> >>> I wish I had stopped and taken samples from the stem to preserve for >>> genetic analysis.... but I was too much of a rush and had no camera with >>> me... and next day I was so much shocked that I did not go near the >>> stump... I should have and taken a piece then... but I learned a >>> lesson... In future I will act better than be a silent spectator and >>> grieve at the death of a promising life form... >>> >>> GOING BACK TO KADAMBA trees... see my detailed pictures above... >>> >>> This sapling had two feet long and almost 18 inches wide leaf... never >>> seen something like that...in a kadamba... >>> >>> Although the leaf size seems to be quite variable... in Kadamba trees >>> in Kolkata... >>> >>> I find that that the ones with flowers have the smallest leaves (5-6 >>> ") of all Kadambas I see on streets of Kolkata, the flowerless "kadamba" >>> trees have somewhat larger ( up to 9" ) darker leaves... >>> different species???? >>> >>> === >>> >>> If this sapling was a kadamba... spontaneous dying off was perhaps akin >>> to a deformed human (or any mammalian) foetus aborting itself due to >>> genetic malformations or genetic chemical variability so much so that the >>> survival of the newborn life would be unsustainable... since mother >>> nature repeats pattenrs and processes ... its the only explanation I can >>> think of that makes sense to me... >>> >>> other reason could be environmental.. that the pavement where it was >>> growing could not have sustained it... >>> >>> >>> GARG JI : If its filed under kadamba in our website... it should have a >>> note that it was most likely a genetic malformation and similar sapling(s) >>> when discovered would need genetic studies... >>> Thanks ... >>> Usha di >>> >>> *PS I dont doubt Neil and HS's diagnosis , but am bothered by the >>> uniqueness of its leaf size.. and I thank you both for your help...* >>> >>> if it was not planted as the locals claimed that it was spontaneous >>> sprouting... then the seeds from the mother tree where it flew out from >>> must have also sprouted in the neighborhood... I have crisscrossed the >>> street and gone to every park .. and green grass patch in about a 8 - 10 >>> block area.. have not seen a single kadamba sapling, let alone a one with >>> such large leaves... >>> ===== >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On Sun, Nov 13, 2011 at 2:36 PM, H S <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> *yes, Neolamarckia cadamba* >>>> >>>> >>>> *regards,* >>>> >>>> On Sun, Nov 13, 2011 at 2:19 PM, J.M. Garg <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Forwarding again for Id confirmation or otherwise please. >>>>> >>>>> Some earlier relevant feedback: >>>>> >>>>> “Negative. This is >>>>> *Kadam [Neolamarckia cadamba]. * Regards, >>>>> Neil Soares.” >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> “Dear Neil, with such large leaves... >>>>> >>>>> there is a kadam tree here, leaves are about 6,7,or 8 inches long at >>>>> the most... >>>>> but this one has 30 inches long leaves??? >>>>> >>>>> Usha di >>>>> ====” >>>>> >>>>> " Have encountered such variations. Please go and check the tree again. >>>>> Regards, >>>>> Neil Soares." >>>>> >>>>> "Dear Neil: I have a great deal of respect for your diagnostic >>>>> abilities... >>>>> and I had indeed doubts about my suspected idea... because of the >>>>> leaf shape, color and NO redness when rubbed...... >>>>> BUT .... the size of the leaves throws me..still.. >>>>> AND I took the pictures on 15th August... nothing would have changed >>>>> in these 6 says... >>>>> But yes I will go back in a months time and take more pictures... and >>>>> I'll repeat it till is fully grown...over the years... would be a nice >>>>> project... >>>>> This may be an interesting fact ...in the life history of Kadam... may >>>>> be saplings' first leaves are humongous to manufacture as much food as >>>>> quickly as possible and grow fast.... till its higher // closer to the >>>>> sun... this sapling apprantly grew sooo tall in the span of three >>>>> months... >>>>> May be we need a section of "Pediatric Biology " in Botany... growth >>>>> patterns and anatomy of saplings... which may be very different than the >>>>> mature tree.... ha ha .. >>>>> Usha di >>>>> ===" >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- >>>>> From: ushadi Micromini <[email protected]> >>>>> Date: 21 August 2011 21:21 >>>>> Subject: [efloraofindia:77843] Large Leaf tree Sapling Is it Tectona >>>>> Grandis? UD 8212011 002 >>>>> To: efloraofindia <[email protected]> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Dear All: >>>>> >>>>> On 14th August zipping by on this street on the way to post office I >>>>> noticed these humongous leaves... >>>>> thought it might be Tectona Grandis.... >>>>> Next day went back and took pictures and talked to the local folks who >>>>> run tea stalls and some Bhujia shops on the sidewalk (only they were >>>>> around to talk to ) , one of the guys said it grew very fast... this >>>>> height >>>>> see figure 1, was achieved in just 3 months.... some branches had come >>>>> out >>>>> near the ground which he said he cut them off... some others said it was >>>>> a kadam gachh (gachh = tree in bengali) ... >>>>> sure!!! dont beleive it!!! >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> The leaves are very large... 1.5 feet wide by 2.5 feet long... I >>>>> measured it... see figures 2 and 3... to me the leaf shape just does not >>>>> match what I remember as tectona grandis.... am confused... >>>>> >>>>> I rubbed the leaf underside, even wetted it with saliva..and rubbed >>>>> ... no red color developed... see figure 6, the white arrows surround the >>>>> wetted rubbed surface, you can still see a little shine?... of cource >>>>> its >>>>> the lower leaf ... not the uppermost "young leaf"... but in the past no >>>>> matter which leaf I tested on already identified Teconia grandis, I got >>>>> the >>>>> red color, in Bengal, Gujarat, Bihar and even in USA.. at a botanical >>>>> Garden ... >>>>> >>>>> Currently there are no branches... >>>>> >>>>> The tree came up on its own.. in harsh broken stony fragments >>>>> containing soil... see figure..7. >>>>> >>>>> Date/Time- 8/15/2011 >>>>> >>>>> Location- Place, Altitude, GPS- Sea level or slightly below it, >>>>> Ganges plain , Streets of Kolkata,. >>>>> >>>>> Habitat- Garden/ Urban/ Wild/ Type- came up on its own per local >>>>> history >>>>> >>>>> Plant Habit- Tree/ Shrub/ Climber/ Herb- Tree >>>>> >>>>> Height/Length- Sapling about 10 feet or 11 feet >>>>> >>>>> Leaves Type/ Shape/ Size- very large, 2.5 by 1.5 foot ( foot, not >>>>> inches) >>>>> >>>>> Inflorescence Type/ Size- NONE yet >>>>> >>>>> Flowers Size/ Colour/ Calyx/ Bracts- NA >>>>> >>>>> Fruits Type/ Shape/ Size Seeds-NA >>>>> >>>>> Other Information like Fragrance, Pollinator, Uses etc.- NA >>>>> >>>>> NA= not applicable >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Please help..... >>>>> >>>>> Thank you >>>>> >>>>> Usha di >>>>> >>>>> === >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> With regards, >>>>> J.M.Garg ([email protected]) >>>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Jmgarg1 >>>>> 'Creating awareness of Indian Flora & Fauna' >>>>> The whole world uses my Image Resource of more than a *thousand >>>>> species* & eight thousand images of Birds, Butterflies, Plants etc. >>>>> (arranged alphabetically & place-wise): >>>>> http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:J.M.Garg. 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