If we count the votes :
+1 craig
+0 vincent
-0 ignacio
? geir
The first think we need to do is to amend our charter with the new voting
rules. I seem to remember that there was a beginning of proposition from
Rodney. Only Geir did answer. I just sent my answer. So first, let's decide
the voting rule and then it will be much easier to apply them for items such
as the one Craig is proposing.
If need be I'll change my vote to +1 on the build.properties subject if it
can make things go forward.
Vincent.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Craig R. McClanahan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Monday, April 16, 2001 5:29 PM
Subject: Re: Finding "build.properties" Files
>
>
> On Mon, 16 Apr 2001, Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote:
>
> > "Craig R. McClanahan" wrote:
> > >
> > > See below.
> > >
> > > On Mon, 16 Apr 2001, Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote:
> > >
> > > > Vincent Massol wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > From: "Craig R. McClanahan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > > > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > > > Sent: Sunday, April 15, 2001 2:47 AM
> > > > > Subject: RE: Finding "build.properties" Files
> > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On Sun, 15 Apr 2001, Peter Donald wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > While your standardizing on this you may want to rename
build.proeprties
> > > > > to
> > > > > > > .ant.properties because thats is the convention for the rest
of the
> > > > > world.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Cheers,
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Pete
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Yarg, I assumed "build.properties" but just went back and looked
at Ant's
> > > > > > build.xml file. Based on that (and Peter's suggestion above), I
would
> > > > > > suggest we do the following instead:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > <property file="${basedir}/.ant.properties"/>
> > > > > > <property file="${basedir}/../.ant.properties"/>
> > > > > > <property file="${user.home}/.ant.properties"/>
> > > > > >
> > > > > > and call our example file ".ant.properties.sample" instead of
> > > > > > "build.properties.sample".
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Craig
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > +0 (just because I don't want to be a pain, otherwise I would have
voted -1
> > > > > ...)
> > > > >
> > > > > Here are my main reasons :
> > > > >
> > > > > 1) Have you ever tried to create such a file under windows ? It is
a
> > > > > nightmare because the explorer won't let you. You have to use
tricks to
> > > > > succeed (like opening a dos shell, typing edit .ant.properties and
exiting
> > > > > and saving the file).
> > > >
> > > > I have to admit I don't feel very sorry for you. Switch to
something
> > > > else. Anything else. Even Mac OSX supposedly has a decent JVM now.
:)
> > > >
> > > > However, I agree with you as 'build.properties' makes its purpose
pretty
> > > > clear. '.ant.properties' would be confusing for someone new to this
> > > > stuff.
> > > >
> > > > and yes, we shouldn't make it hard for a large portion of the user
> > > > base.
> > > >
> > > > > 2) The name is really too unix centric for my taste
> > > >
> > > > Hm. That 8.3 stuff still plagues you guys? I guess you would want
> > > >
> > > > C:\BUILD.PRP
> > > >
> > > > :D
> > > >
> > > > > 3) Why hide this file ? You will tend to forget the existence of
the file
> > > > > under unix, even more if you have 3 : one in your home, one in
JAKARTA_HOME
> > > > > and one in your project.
> > > >
> > > > +1, but I assumed that your Unix sympathies would be like my windows
> > > > sympathies. ;->
> > > >
> > >
> > > I believe the precedent that matters in this case is what Ant itself
uses
> > > and proposes (.ant.properties), which -- as Peter points out -- lots
of
> > > other projects have adopted for that reason.
> >
> > I understand. But the freedom you have with specification of the
> > external/override properties via the build.xml is nice, I think.
> >
>
> It does exactly the same thing. All we are doing is changing the name.
>
> > Wouldn't we pickup the users default .ant.properties anyway?
> >
>
> I have not looked at the Ant source code, but my understanding is that
> this is not implicit -- you have to declare it in your build.xml file if
> you want this.
>
> > >
> > > WRT Windows, I've had zero problems creating ".ant.properties" files
with
> > > any text editor or IDE, so what is the issue here?
> >
> > I think it has to do with using the 'explorer'... it won't let you
> > create a file starting with "."
> >
> > geir
> >
> > --
> > Geir Magnusson Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Developing for the web? See http://jakarta.apache.org/velocity/
> >
>
> Craig
>
>
>
