> I am not saying braindumps are good at all, but... > > What engineer when architecting/building/supporting a solution doesn't have > access to the internet or reference tools? >
I'd hazard a guess that neither Dodo or Telstra engineers were able to google for help last month : P It's Junos - you have the entire command reference built into the OS When you know exactly what you're looking for - "help reference ..." When you only have a rough idea what you're looking for "help apropos ..." When you have no idea what you're looking for, make a mental note of areas to study for next time. If you are walking into a JNCIE-anything exam not knowing these things already, then you're probably not ready to be sitting it. You also have the PDFs of the Junos manuals available to you. > I architect all day long and the Juniper and Cisco websites are my bible > for product knowledge, features, part numbers, etc etc. These exams aren't designed for "architects", they're for hands-on engineers - people who need to be able to think under pressure and manage their time while have a good grasp of the operating system and fundamental protocols. The exam won't ask you to design anything, much less ask for a bill of materials and a quote - the boxes are in place, pre-cabled and physically inaccessible. > It is like an electrician or plumber without their tools... absolutely > useless. I'm going to strongly disagree with you here - if I was paying an expert-level engineer to urgently fix an issue on my network and they needed anything more than a terminal app, a console cable and a network diagram, I'd be looking elsewhere. > I would like to see exams include man pages, or at least an approved > reference book that would let you look up obscure crap you almost never > need to know off the top of your head. See above > Binary<->Hex<->Decimal math... bullshit, I can't believe we're not able to > use even a calculator these days... even highschool exams allow calculators! The last exam I saw with any sort of conversion on it was the JNCIA-JUNOS - these are fundamentals every network person should be taught, no exceptions. Ben > > On Fri, Mar 30, 2012 at 23:25, Sascha Luck <li...@c4inet.net> wrote: > >> On Fri, Mar 30, 2012 at 05:03:54AM -0700, Jared Gull wrote: >> >>> I'm with Graham. Sack up and have some integrity, learn the material, and >>> take the test pass or fail. >>> >> >> of course this is true generally, but the exams are not always >> very compatible with practical networking experience. Srsly, you need to >> know every property of every OSPF LSA type or STP BPDU by heart? That's >> what the Internet is for... >> I did JNCIS the old-skool way and it was a lot of grinding useless >> information that I've forgotten again already... >> >> rgds, >> s. >> ______________________________**_________________ >> juniper-nsp mailing list juniper-nsp@puck.nether.net >> https://puck.nether.net/**mailman/listinfo/juniper-nsp<https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/juniper-nsp> >> > _______________________________________________ > juniper-nsp mailing list juniper-nsp@puck.nether.net > https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/juniper-nsp > _______________________________________________ juniper-nsp mailing list juniper-nsp@puck.nether.net https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/juniper-nsp