That and I think a lot of the BRAS "migration" functionality (LNS/LAC etc) was late to the party after being told it wasn't going to happen for anything lower than the 240.
On 13 Nov 2013, at 12:51 pm, Bill Blackford <bblackf...@gmail.com> wrote: > My personal feeling is the MX80 wasn't widely adopted as a lower density > subscriber box given the lack of redundant REs. The MX104 may find it's > niche as a BRAS. > > > > > On Tue, Nov 12, 2013 at 5:25 PM, Eric Van Tol <e...@atlantech.net> wrote: > >> One thing to keep in mind about these boxes is that, like the >> MX5/10/40/80, the built-in 10G ports do not do hierarchical QoS (per-unit >> scheduling). I'm confused as to why this is, considering they are >> Trio-based routers, but I digress. I personally don't think that the >> astronomical cost to enable the 10G ports on all the low-end MX routers is >> worth it, considering they can't even do per-unit scheduling. >> >> -evt >> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: juniper-nsp [mailto:juniper-nsp-boun...@puck.nether.net] On >> Behalf Of >>> joel jaeggli >>> Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2013 4:00 PM >>> To: Saku Ytti >>> Cc: juniper-nsp@puck.nether.net >>> Subject: Re: [j-nsp] Juniper MX104 >>> >>> >>> On Nov 12, 2013, at 12:46 PM, Saku Ytti <s...@ytti.fi> wrote: >>> >>>> On (2013-11-12 20:14 +0000), Tom Storey wrote: >>>> >>>>> Why so much just to enable some ports? How do they come up with that >>>>> kind of price? Pluck it out of thin air? >>>>> >>>>> The hardware has been paid for, and I know thats only list pricing, >>>>> but it still seems ridiculous. >>>> >>>> The question might have been rhetoric. But I'll bite. >>>> >>>> The BOM on these boxes is nothing, I'm guessing less than 1kUSD. But >> the >>>> volume you can sell them also is very very small, so the margins need >> to >>> be >>>> very high to be able to design and support them. >>>> Licensing allows you to sell to larger group of people, people who >>> normally >>>> would buy smaller/inferior box, now can afford it, which in turn >> allows >>> you >>>> to reduce your margins, making you more competitive. >>>> >>>> I actually like it. I wish vendors like Agilent/Ixia, Spirent would >> sell >>>> test-kit with some sort of 'per hours used' license. Lot of SPs have >> need >>> for >>>> proper testing kit, but only will need them very irregularly. And >> renting >>> is >>>> always such a chore. It's same thing there, BOM is nothing, but volume >> is >>> even >>>> lower, so prices are ridiculously high, consequently proper testing is >>> very >>>> rarely done by other than telco size SPs. >>> >>> It's one of those things where you work with account team. if the >> commercial >>> terms don't work out for most potential buyers, then the product won't be >>> successful and either things will change or they won't. >>> >>>> -- >>>> ++ytti >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> juniper-nsp mailing list juniper-nsp@puck.nether.net >>>> https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/juniper-nsp >>>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> juniper-nsp mailing list juniper-nsp@puck.nether.net >> https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/juniper-nsp >> > > > > -- > Bill Blackford > > Logged into reality and abusing my sudo privileges..... > _______________________________________________ > juniper-nsp mailing list juniper-nsp@puck.nether.net > https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/juniper-nsp > _______________________________________________ juniper-nsp mailing list juniper-nsp@puck.nether.net https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/juniper-nsp