What do comrades have to say about the advance from utopian (west European)
socialism, al la people in the tradition of Saint Simon, Babeuf and Owen- to
scientific socialism: is there a link between the development of
industrialisation and the development of Marx's ideas?
Is the advance from utopian to scientific doctrine more identifiable with the
influence of Hegelian dialectics on Marx and others?
Or have I created a false dichotomy, with both being important?

I believe the creation of the working class in such an identifable "mass"
(particularly in England) helped further the change from "all men are brothers"
to "workers... unite" in the most direct way. Also, the IR made for the gradual
end of socialists being those who pined for the past (Proudhon, et al)- and
created the basis to dream of a future (Blanqui).

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Macdonald Stainsby
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In the contradiction lies the hope.
                                     --Bertholt Brecht



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