Hi guys, i let you know that our url about EOMA68 news has been changed [0] to fix misleading information there too.
[0]:https://www.parabola.nu/news/new-ryf-seeking-hardware-crowdfunding-project-with-parabola-pre-installed/ On 08/25/2016 08:18 PM, Christopher Waid wrote: > On 2016-08-25 05:59 AM, Tiberiu-Cezar Tehnoetic wrote: >> On 25.08.2016 11:42, Christopher Waid wrote: >>> I'm having a hard time taking you seriously. Wake me when you've >>> actually contributed something of significance and aren't just trying to >>> undermine those working on solving these problems. For some of us it >>> isn't about financial gain. We actually want to see 100% free hardware. >> >> I don't need you to take me seriously. I'm merely stating the facts and >> drawing logical conclusions. I could be just a new free software user >> with no contribution what so ever. > > No. Your selectively quoting with the clear intent to mislead. You are > doing exactly what you propose we're doing. There is a difference > between accidentally misstating something technical and selectively > pulling quotes that make it sound as if I was misleading people. > >> >> If you believe that what I'm doing is undermining your projects, then >> you might be do something wrong in your projects. Like claiming your >> proprietary BIOS laptops and desktops are OK in regard to software >> freedom as your WiFi adapters. > > I never made that claim. You are twisting words around as if that is > what I was saying. It was clear from the video and I'd encourage anybody > who believes this to watch it. > >> Like claiming EOMA68 board is libre >> hardware although no one has access to the PCB CAD files under a >> free/libre license. > > Everything is already available with one exception that was clearly > stated and the reason why. Luke was upfront about everything: > > "The only exception to this rule to release everything in advance is the > PCB CAD files for the Computer Card. We’re planning to release the PCB > CAD files for the Computer card once sufficient units are hit that > ensures any third party manufacturing runs will not undermine the > project’s development or stability." > > I also already explained that someone has already attempted to undermine > the project. The decision to withhold this is temporary, and nobody said > it was beholden on the success of the campaign even, and given that we > have already released everything else our intent is clear. > > It's also unusual to release this kind of thing if it is released at all > prior to the shipping of the rewards. It's not even wrong to release > nothing until after the crowd funding campaign is done or the rewards > ship. The fact it is being done prior is in spirit with the philosophy > and a mark of good will toward the community. > >> Like not guaranteeing EOMA68 campaign backers that >> they will receive the PCB CAD files under a free license along with the >> EOMA68 product when shipped. > > It's already abundantly clear that it's going to be released. We're at > $145,300 of $150,000 as of this moment. That is 97% and there is still > 25 hours to go. There is zero chance we won't hit that target and > technically we already surpassed the number needed for us to proceed > because the # we estimated could not be 100% determined until we knew > the ratios of rewards. Given that I don't see any reason Luke won't post > the files soon. If he doesn't though it still won't matter from an > ethical stand point because they will be released well before anybody > gets these devices and it will be within the statements/promises made. > Nobody is breaking a promise here. > >> Like claiming EOMA68 board is a >> breakthrough in the line of software freedom. Like undermining Libreboot >> project and spreading FUD about it (that Libreboot is only for old >> x86-based laptops). > > While it supports a newer ARM laptop or two it's not any better > ethically speaking from a freedom stand point than using free versions > of Uboot. These Chromebooks are actually hostile to users freedom and > I'd highly discourage people from going this route. The older X86 > LibreBoot laptops don't depend on proprietary firmwares for the wifi > chips. With the older X86 laptops you can replace the internal wifi > cards with free ones. That's not possible on the newer Chromebooks. This > is just one great example of why EOMA68 matters so much. > > LibreBoot's value when you talk about freedom is on older X86 laptops. > This is not FUD, just fact. There may be other features that are > desirable and therefore support of EOMA68 devices makes sense. However > it is not an ethics or freedom issue. > >> Like not providing config file to build LibreCMC. > > You are flat out lying. We ship it with every router on CD. > >> Like LibreCMC not building at all lately. > > This is nonsense. There are better directions for building LibreCMC than > just about any other project and we are frequently complimented on how > easy it is to get working. The Software Freedom Conservancy even used > our routers as an example of how to do GPL compliance properly: > https://copyleft.org/guide/comprehensive-gpl-guidech22.html. If there > are issues building LibreCMC it's not something we did explicitly. It > could be any number of problems. > > This is telling: > > "If an investigator of average skill in embedded firmware construction > can surmise the proper procedures to build and install a replacement > firmware, the instructions are likely sufficient to meet GPL’s > requirements." > > Given they were able to build an image independent of us and are not the > only ones it's reasonable to state you are full of it. We even improved > the directions to make them better in the one area that they indicated > improvement could be made (it was still completely GPL compliant despite > this). > >> Like corrupting FSF to recommend your proprietary BIOS laptops and >> desktops. > > Is anybody here buying this? The FSF is a totally independent > organization that we have zero effective influence over. There is > insignificant amounts going to the FSF relative to the donations and > monies coming from other sources. It might not have been a good idea for > them to word this as they did. However I did not have any involvement in > this wording and there is no money being exchanged here. > > Here is the disclaimer: 10% of our regular eBay sales go to the FSF. > This amount is donated via proxy and therefore I don't even think the > FSF is aware that said donations are coming from us. I have an associate > member subscription with the FSF. I have purchased a lot of t-shirts > from the FSF over the years. We have sponsored Libre Planet for a number > of years. I was once in a bidding war for a GNU stuffed animal and a GNU > 30th cup at the GNU 30th b'day party that resulted in less than $600 USD > going to the FSF. These were less than $50 and you could buy them before > and after the auction. During the holiday one year we did contribute > some amount from each sale to the FSF during the holiday promotion > guide. So did others I believe. > > Now we do contribute to the Trisquel project 25% of the profits from any > user purchasing through http://libre.thinkpenguin.com. This is the link > that the FSF uses, many freedom conscious bloggers, Trisquel/FSF > members, and so on. We have also sponsored Ruben's (Trisquel founder) > accommodations or travel in the past when has come to Libre Planet. This > pre-dates Ruben's employment with the FSF. > > I think that sums it up. Nothing of significance relative to the million > dollars they have (https://www.fsf.org/about/financial). > > > >
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