Hi, I just wanted to follow up that I meant to ask: - Endorsing Free Software to be available on non-free systems, so as long as it is understood that it is an invitation to the fully Free System, not just partial - is this stance well shared among the members and participants of FSF/GNU projects? Or is it the case that Richard Stallman is rather uniquely more generous than others?
Sorry I should have been clearer. -Yasu > On May 17, 2022, at 18:54, lkcl <luke.leigh...@gmail.com> wrote: > > On Tue, May 17, 2022 at 2:00 AM Yasuaki Kudo <y...@yasuaki.com> wrote: >> >> If this is the case, a few more follow-up questions: >> >> - Is this attitude widely shared among the participants of FSF or GNU >> projects? > > "attitude" is a very strong / loaded word, it is making me hesitate to answer > "yes or no". > > there is a goal: that goal is the combination of Ethical behaviour and > principles > applied to Software usage and development. > > the *advice* of - or more like the documentation behind - the GNU Project > and of the Free Software Foundation (which is very different from an > *attitude*) > is to promote that combination of Ethical behaviour and principles as applied > to Software usage and development. > > people can have a "bad" or a "good" attitude whilst also still respecting > (or disrespecting) those principles. i've seen that happen. > >> - Are there GNU projects other than Guix, in which helping people with >> special >> needs for their proprietary systems, by purposefully discussing and sharing >> the >> knowhow, is shunned - perhaps with some of the participants even declaring >> to leave the project unless it is? 😅 > > Dr Stallman's perspective is amazingly clear and very respectful. > what i have seen him do is to make it clear what the goal of the > GNU Project is (to promote the combination of Ethical behaviour > in the form of Software), and to *very respectfully* redirect anyone > wishing to *disregard* or undermine that goal to move their discussion > elsewhere. > > in the version of the GNU Maintainers documentation that i was > helping to edit, it gives advice here on how to respectfully deal with > this situation. it does *NOT* imply "go be a complete dickhead and > smash people's opinions into the floor because they want to use > nonfree software" because by doing so you are, yourself, basically > being a dickhead and undermining Free Software as a result. > > in circumstances where people are being dickheads, chances are high > that anyone who left, and then had their system hacked (or it becomes > unstable / unusable) because they used nonfree software, would go, > > "shit, i should have listened to those people who told me of the > consequences of using nonfree software..." > > at which point there are *two* possible paths for the thoughts in their > head: > > 1) "... but they were such disrespectful dickheads that i am > never going back even though it would be beneficial for me" > > or: > > 2) "... and they were so respectful i think i'll go back sheepishly > because from their behaviour when i *wasn't* listening to them, > i have confidence that they won't attack me or try to undermine > me" > > you see how that works? > > l. _______________________________________________ libreplanet-discuss mailing list libreplanet-discuss@libreplanet.org https://lists.libreplanet.org/mailman/listinfo/libreplanet-discuss