This is the hypocritical version of the two anti-copyleft positions. The non-hypocritical is the one that opposes proprietary software but also dislikes copyleft limitations. Such as the copyfree.org angle. That's a principled but somewhat extreme position like anarchy, opposing all government regulations of creativity.
This Chris person is making a stupid argument. He's saying that it's perfectly fine to block anyone from doing anything with some software by using a proprietary license but it's somehow evil to permit software freedoms via GPL. Graciously pointing out the hypocrisy is a good step. Just say, "if you think it's okay for me to use a *proprietary* license, what's wrong with using copyleft to *allow* people *more* freedom than the proprietary licenses?" Chris is asking to have it both ways. He's asking to assert that expat license is more free and freedom is good *and* that proprietary terms are fine. If he cares about freedom, he shouldn't be okay with proprietary terms. If he's okay with proprietary terms than he isn't focused on freedom and shouldn't mind GPL whether or not it's free in his view. Focus on that issue and skip the debate about which of expat or GPL is more free. On 2022-05-17 8:52 a.m., andrew via libreplanet-discuss <libreplanet-discuss@libreplanet.org> wrote:
Andrew Would https://git.andrewyu.org/pygame-multiplayer/ suffice to indicate extending an existing Expat (MIT) project into a project based on the original work but licensed under the (A)GPL? Andrew ugh, forgot to place the agpl in it ChrisWarrick ask a lawyer ChrisWarrick (and consider a less evil license) Andrew Not asking for legal advice, just general practice Andrew And I don't consider the GPLs to be evil, I use them for bigger projects while I use public domain (unlicense) for smaller ones ChrisWarrick licenses are legal stuff, so you are asking for legal advice Andrew asking stuff like 'does the US have any laws' is legal but isn't asking for legal advice imo ChrisWarrick your question is “am I interpeting and using the license correctly” Andrew i guess Andrew and why do you think the gpl is evil? ChrisWarrick GPL, and especially AGPL, makes your code less free than MIT/BSD nedbat Andrew: this is a classic debate Andrew ChrisWarrick: PM me, thanks Andrew because I want to prevent people from proprietizing it ChrisWarrick but at the same time, you’re benefitting from Brandon Nguyen’s work Andrew yes ChrisWarrick but he isn’t able to benefit from yours Andrew they could use the AGPL/GPL, and they could ask me for an exception Andrew the greater danger is people taking expat code and proprietizing it, hindering free use altogether ChrisWarrick what is wrong with proprietary use though? Andrew i'll get back to you with an article tomorrow, thanks on your thoughts Andrew meanwhile, https://lukesmith.xyz/articles/why-i-use-the-gpl-and-not-cuck-licenses explains part of it Andrew dont agree to all of it, i see a lot of use of permissive licenses, but not for the project working on now ChrisWarrick do you have a less offensive article? Andrew I'm working on that ChrisWarrick okay I hope this is clear enough on what I need ... well, how do I explain the GPL to them? _______________________________________________ libreplanet-discuss mailing list libreplanet-discuss@libreplanet.org https://lists.libreplanet.org/mailman/listinfo/libreplanet-discuss
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