You are again misreading what I wrote. I never said we are not dealing with it, but that I don't think that blocking people access all together is a good solution. Again, you are clinging to *ONE* RBL, ignoring the *GOOD* scores at other major RBLs.
Please don't distort my words. -----Original Message----- From: Noam Rathaus [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2008 4:43 PM To: Imri Zvik Cc: Omer Zak; linux-il Subject: Re: Israeli ISP and Blacklisting Imri, Ok - don't block anything. Continue as usual I understand that this war was lost when I renewed my contract for server hosting in Israel. I should have seen this and moved them to somewhere better. If that doesn't bring to light the issue - causes to to understand that this needs to be resolved, I guess I didn't do my job correctly. On Thursday 24 July 2008 16:37:50 Imri Zvik wrote: > Noam, > > You do realize that what you mean is that the ISP will block port 25 all > together - meaning, that all of you people running your own mail server > at home will be forced to use your ISP as a smarthost (either with > manual configuration, or using traffic redirection at the ISP routers). > > I'm sure you already forgot, but when the ISPs blocked the netbios ports > few years ago in order to stop worms outbreaks, a lot of people > complained that the ISPs shouldn't block ports at all. > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Noam Rathaus [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2008 4:24 PM > To: Imri Zvik > Cc: Omer Zak; linux-il > Subject: Re: Israeli ISP and Blacklisting > > Hi, > > This RBL, even if is a bit extremist, is something used by a few of our > customers's commercial spam filtering product. > > So this affects not just me, but others, but I am getting the feeling > here > that the messenger is getting shot, and we are giving a lean hand to the > > ISPs, as it is too difficult to "protected themselves". > > But if you are happy with the level of service Israeli ISPs are giving, > enjoy, > I think for one, customers should demand better. > > This debate brings me back to the day when Code Red was bringing down > servers, > and people complained that ISPs wouldn't block offending computers, and > the > ISPs retaliated with freedom of speak and moving response - silly. Same > here, > the ISP should prevent SPAM I don't care how, but they should, I am > working > with T-Mobile both in Europe and in United States, and you (as an end > customer) send out mail directly unless it goes through their SMTP > servers - > if you have a VPN do whatever you want. > > BTW The company takes money in order to discourge people from nagging > them to > get removed. > > On Thursday 24 July 2008 15:45:03 Imri Zvik wrote: > > Noam, > > Again, and I will try to type it slowly so you can understand - You > > are > > > talking about *ONE* RBL, which is notorious for blocking whole AS, and > > refusing to work with it's abuse departments. You are clinging to this > > RBL listing as if being listed at this particular RBL means that we > > (as > > > in Israel or the ISP) are now completely cut-off from the world, or > > that > > > if you are listed in this RBL it means your ISP is doing nothing to > > fight abuse. > > > > It's either you misunderstand how extreme this RBL is, and how fast > > and > > > for how little they block a whole AS, or you are just trying to flame. > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Noam Rathaus [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2008 3:09 PM > > To: Imri Zvik > > Cc: Omer Zak; linux-il > > Subject: Re: Israeli ISP and Blacklisting > > > > Hi, > > > > You are right, it is easy to get RBLed, and semi-easy to get out of an > > RBL, > > but it doesn't help to email abuse@ or anything else, if your ISP is > > marked > > as bad. > > > > On Thursday 24 July 2008 14:31:48 Imri Zvik wrote: > > > *Sigh* Don't you have anything better to do? I can report that > > Israeli > > > > ISPs get decent cooperation (well most of the times, and from most > > > RBLs). No one is going to block Israel completely. > > > > > > If you have a specific email that was blocked, or a specific RBL > > (with > > > > reasonable demands) you want to be removed from, please email abuse@ > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Omer Zak > > > Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2008 1:38 PM > > > To: linux-il > > > Subject: Re: Israeli ISP and Blacklisting > > > > > > I have E-mailed my ISP about this. > > > > > > You may want to add to your E-mail to your ISP also your concerns > > that > > > > since ALL Israeli ISPs are blacklisted, the entire country is in > > > > danger > > > > > of being backlisted as a country. > > > > > > While the real reason for such an action would be political, the > > spam > > > > handling situation is too convenient excuse to pass up. > > > > > > On Thu, 2008-07-24 at 12:57 +0300, Noam Rathaus wrote: > > > > Hi, > > > > > > > > Has anyone here tried to get the Bezeq Internation, Barak or > > > > Netvision > > > > > to get > > > > > > > them off the blacklisting found here: > > > > http://www.uceprotect.net/en/rblcheck.php > > > > > > > > Apparently all the Israeli ISP are blacklisted here (any host you > > > > put > > > > > there in > > > > > > > their hosting range) - and all because they don't have a policy of > > > > > > cleaning > > > > > > > up their network from spammers. > > > > > > > > This means we are all losing emails we send because our ISPs are > > > > doing > > > > > a bad > > > > > > > job. -- Noam Rathaus CTO [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.beyondsecurity.com "Know that you are safe." 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