John,
You are quite right and that would do much to solve the roundness
problem. But my other problem is that the rental lutes are stored in
3 places across the US and since they are rentals they are rented out
to people. This means we don't have access to the lutes because they
are in the hands of the renters...sometimes for several years at a
time. There are lutes in the collection that I have never even seen
in person much less put my hands on so I can do things like you
suggest. That is why I wish I could put PegHedz on them all--because
I can't care for the friction pegs and even though I may ask renters to
do so they are renters and not owners and sometimes their motivation to
be thorough in care is, well, somewhat diminished to put it mildly. I
also think renters would benefit from them as, to me, tuning is much
easier and for people who are renting (this almost always means they
are new to the lute--which is why they are renting) it would be, in my
opinion, a benefit.
But this is all just theoretical since we don't have the money it costs
to replace the pegs. So we will live with what we have and I will
deal with peg problems as they come up.
Michael
Michael M. Grant, PhD
Director, Lute Rental Program
Member, Board of Directors
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On Sat, Feb 11, 2017 at 11:46 PM, John Mardinly
<[2]john.mardi...@asu.edu> wrote:
Michael;
With standard pegs, they won't go out of round if you maintain them
properly. That means loosening the peg by turning it and pulling out a
bit so that there is just light pressure between the wooden parts. That
compensates for the dimensional changes caused by humidity changes. Of
course that throws the instrument out of tune, which means you might
need to re-tune it, and if you have 42 lutesâ¦â¦you will need extra
staff, medical marijuana or psychiatric treatment.
However, you probably already know this.
A. John Mardinly, Ph.D., P.E.
Retired Principal Materials Nanoanalysis Engineer
On Feb 11, 2017, at 5:32 PM, LSA Lute Rental Program
<[3]lsaluteren...@gmail.com> wrote:
About once a year the topic of planetary tuners comes up on this
listserve. People weigh in for and against, sometimes (like last
year) the discussion gets overheated as some who are against cite
historical authenticity and other factors as reasons against and
those
who are for them cite the "make it easy on yourself--adopt modern
methods" position to support their use.
Then, after the dust settles, we discover we are pretty much evenly
split for and against and the issue dies down only to rise again in
12
months.
For those who do not wish to use planetary tuners, the most notable
example of which is PegHedz, their best approach is not to use them.
For those, like me, who have used them and like them very much
indeed,
the best approach is to keep using them. I have 42 instruments in
the
LSA's lute rental collection and if I had the money to do so I would
install PegHedz on every single one. The LSA neither supports nor
does not support the use of any particular tuner, including friction
pegs or planetary tuners such as PegHedz. I am only telling you
that
I think they are such a valuable resource that I would put them on
all
the lutes if it could be afforded. It can't so I won't. But if
I
did it would forever eliminate the problem that aging lutes have of
pegs that become out of round and needing replacing or retooling.
It
would also make tuning much easier for beginners--but that is just
my
opinion.
So it seems best for us to use what we like as tuners and focus on
the
music we make with the strings. Let us all continue to make
beautiful
music no matter what method we use to tension our strings.
Michael
On Sat, Feb 11, 2017 at 5:53 PM Charles Mokotoff
<[1][4]mokot...@gmail.com> wrote:
Seems we are about 50/50 split on the peghedz...
FWIW, I have used this device:
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change
lute strings very rarely.
On Sat, Feb 11, 2017 at 5:10 PM,
<[2][3][6]jsl...@verizon.net>
wrote:
Dear All,
I really don't think the planetary tuning pegs
are
necessary for
a
lute with good-fitting pegs. I find that a small
amount of
violin
"peg
dope" -- the hard, waxy type, not the softer
gooey type --
is all
the
help my lute and vihuela pegs need.
On the other hand, I did get them installed on
my cittern,
and
they
are a godsend. So, like Ms. Carlin, I would
recommend them
for
wire-strung instruments, which have greater
tuning
difficulties.
Cheers,
Jim Stimson
On 02/11/17, Roman Turovsky<[3][4][7]r.turovsky@
gmail.com>
wrote:
A question for the Collective Wisdom:
Looking for opinions on planetary tuners for
lutes or
vihuelas,
cautionary tales, where to get them, which
brands, how to
install
etc.
Thank ye all,
RT
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