Hey Mark, Thanks so much for your nice message. Yes, feeling so defeated that I got a whopping two hours sleep. And in case you did not see my other post, the mac is now running awful even so much as getting a weird distortion with VO that I have never ever seen before. Apps will not launch, and VO only works for a few seconds here and there. I would love any advice on what to do now as I am thinking I am going to have to do the clean install again as something is definitely wrong more serious then just a serious disappointing El Capitan. I have the thumb drive with Yosemite and two external drives unfortunately both have stuff on it so cannot delete a drive to patron it. One drive does have a bunch of time machine backups so not sure if there might be something there I could role back to as it might be all El Capitan backups would have to check but if you have the time any step by step instructions you could suggest on where to go from here would be great. i am going to call Apple Accessibility some time today but am going to be at an expo for part of today. Thanks, > On Oct 17, 2015, at 3:25 AM, Devin Prater <d.pra...@me.com> wrote: > > Gosh, everything depends on a flash drive nowadays. Ah well, I'll buy one at > some point and try it. > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Oct 17, 2015, at 2:12 AM, M. Taylor <mk...@ucla.edu> wrote: >> >> Hello Devin, >> >> I cannot speak to the Alex problem you are having as a great many things >> depend upon the model of the computer you have, the amount of RAM, etc. >> >> However, what is extremely important to know is that you cannot (or rather >> should not) attempt to delete a drive on which you are currently booted. >> >> In order to partition the internal drive, you must first be booted onto an >> external one. >> >> Think of it like this, you cannot safely raise a house while standing in >> it's living room. In order to raise a house, you must do so from the >> outside, right? >> >> Therefore, in Brian's situation, he needs to boot to the install key, then >> launch it's disk utility and proceed from there. >> >> As for you, if you do not have an install key, you will have to boot to an >> external drive, then proceed from that position. Of course, you could >> create an install key, if you so choose. >> >> Mark >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Devin Prater >> Sent: Friday, October 16, 2015 11:53 PM >> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >> Subject: Re: Clean Install and Rol Back to Yosemite has ruined computer >> >> Okay, I have a question then. I might try doing a clean install, maybe >> that'll fix the Alex choppiness issue I've been having for years, although >> it may just be a 4gig ram thing. So do I just go to the repair partition, >> where it is possible to reformat and all that, and simply delete the main >> part of the disk where all the files and documents and all are, and just >> reinstall the system with that? Or is it more complex than that? I forgot >> how I used to reinstall the system before, but not even that helped the Alex >> issue. >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> On Oct 17, 2015, at 1:42 AM, M. Taylor <mk...@ucla.edu> wrote: >>> >>> Hello Brian, >>> >>> I am so sorry that your experience has been this difficult. >>> >>> To be honest, I wanted to caution you about how to install Yosemite after >>> having first upgraded to El Capitan. I did not, given that you were >>> already on your proverbial way, as it were. I was hoping that all would be >>> well but since it clearly is not, I will now post my recommendation. >>> >>> When I learned that you were attempting to roll back to Yosemite, I wanted >>> to caution you that merely installing Yosemite, even after erasing your >>> disk may not be completely successful. >>> >>> The only way, in my opinion, to get a truly clean install is to delete the >>> entire partition of the internal drive before installing an OS. >>> >>> While I am not making any excuses for your experience, the truth of the >>> matter is that your project is not as simple as it would appear. >>> Therefore, you should not be too hard on yourself or on the operating >>> system. >>> >>> Things work the way they work and it takes time to understand how it's all >>> put together. The truth of the matter is that Apple provides the only OS, >>> of which I am aware, in which we, blind and low vision, can be truly self >>> supporting. That does not mean, however, that there is no learning curve. >>> >>> Having said all of this, were you to have asked before undertaking this >>> project I would have recommended that you first learn how to use the >>> Startup disk option located in the System Preferences area. Then I would >>> have suggested that you explore the Disk Utilities application in order to >>> familiarize yourself with its layout and how VoiceOver interacts with it. >>> I would have advised you to attach a drive or two, to your Mac and practice >>> formatting, partitioning and re-partitioning the practice drive. These >>> skills are important, especially when dealing with a primary disk partition >>> on an internal drive. >>> >>> Then, and only then, would I have recommended that you perform a complete >>> fresh install after first having deleted the partition of the internal >>> drive. >>> >>> As it stands, I hope you will not give up on this project as, like it or >>> not, it is an excellent learning opportunity. >>> >>> In short, just try again. Keep trying until you get it right. >>> >>> When I was learning how to do these things, sometimes, I had to make the >>> attempt as many as three times before I was successful. Each time through, >>> however, I learned something new about both the OS and, more importantly, >>> about myself. >>> >>> One more thing, just as a side note, what I and many others do is to >>> install a program like Super Duper in order to clone the internal drive to >>> an external one, before upgrading to a new OS. Then, should we decide to >>> rollback, as it were, we only need to copy the cloned copy from the >>> external drive back to the internal one. The cloned drive is also >>> bootable. >>> >>> Hang in there and know that we're all here, ready to assist. >>> >>> Mark >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Brian Fischler >>> Sent: Friday, October 16, 2015 10:41 PM >>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >>> Subject: Clean Install and Rol Back to Yosemite has ruined computer >>> >>> So much for a clean install fixing things. My computer is now utterly >>> useless as VO will read for a few seconds then stop for 3 to 5 minutes then >>> read for a few seconds and stop again making the computer a giant freaking >>> paperweight. The funniest thing about all this is I am supposed to be at an >>> expo tomorrow talking up Apple to blind people, well F that. I could never >>> recommend Apple to someone after this experience.Not sure how having >>> nothing on the computer could cause so many issues but I would have taken >>> the crappy Crapitan to this as Crapitan was useable in places just not >>> safari, this is now a pile of junk. Will call Apple accessibility what a >>> joke not sure how I have been the lucky one to have the worlds worst >>> experience doing a clean install. >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >>> email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. >>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >>> email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. >>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
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