On the other hand, if we didn't pounce on a new operating system the day it came out, but rather waited until som bug fixes came along, how would we know what bugs needed to be fixed? How would we know how the system worked in practice? Maybe we should demand that there were public betas of the os, but until such time, there are bound to be pouncers and there are bound to be bugs that pass the private beta testers. and as someone pointed out some time ago, much of the quarks that we see could be people who don't really know about how to handle certain parts of the system. Take me and the Launchpad, for example. I could create a folder by moving apps on top of each other, but i can't for the life of me open the folder i created, to view what's inside. I'm sure it's only me who makes mistakes and if anyone knows how to do this, i would be thankful for advice. 'nough ranting now. /Krister 23 jul 2011 kl. 05:05 skrev Missy Hoppe:
> Amen! Very well said! I agree 100 percent with everything in this message. > Bottom line, we're paying the price for pouncing > on a new OS the day it came out. I'm sure that sooner or later, (hopefully > sooner), Apple will fix all of these issues. > Good night, all! > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Christopher-Mark Gilland > Sent: Friday, July 22, 2011 10:50 PM > To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > Subject: Re: Voice over lag and other lion issues > Importance: High > > I wouldn't so much say that they are losing commitment, as much as I'd say, > they seem to be getting very sloppy. I mean, ok, here's my thing. I > totally am with all you all in saying everyone just chill. the only reason > I'm keeping my stance so strong on this is the fact that look at this. I > mean, this looks like we should still be running a beta with all these bugs. > come on, lookit! We have some beta testers on here, do we not? Admit it, > did you all see any of these bugs? If not, then wow. I apologize. Really > I do. I'm then out of lign severely, and for that, I'm ashamed of myself, > but, really, think about this for justa minute. OK, you all can shoot me, I > know you may want me to shut up, as does a few people who we won't mention, > but, if they and all you others will please I beg you, just! for once, hear > me out for a second. > > If you will, and will at least acknowledge me, then I'll perhaps shut up. > > Just let me have this for a sec. > > Look, let's addres this from a fact stand point rather than a Chris's > opinion standpoint, ok? > > this way it's more fair. > > 1. We all agree this is a new O S, right? > > 2. We all agree that things are very buggy in many areas, right? Uh dab > dab dap? Holdit! I'm not done, listen to me! I'm still talking. You'll > get your chance. I didn't ask you all if th3e problems can be addressed in > a software update. I'll address that in a second. right now, we're just > looking at the facts. OK? So I repeat: > > 2. Is it not true, that we all agree that lots of things are buggy? Yes, > or no. > > 3. Do we all agree that these are problems that should have probably been > addressed at least to some extent during the beta cycle before the official > release? Yes or no>? > > 4. Do we all agree that most of these bugs can be delt with and tollerated > to some degree? > > OK then. > > I think we all agree on all the above, so why such hostility toward me and > everyone else on list by some members. Look, I feel you all's frustration, > we just want things to work, but we also are getting frustrated at the > nonconstructive messages cluttering the inbox of many. But, there is a > delete key, and I assure you, things will die down once Lion is more > progressed. Right now, everyone is just kind of in that what the bird state > right now. > > do we need to chill? OK, maybe so, but, really people, do you really think > that an O S should be this buggy before official release? I know you all > don't like hearing what I'm saying, and it's pissing you all off hearing it, > but that's because I am not afraid to speak my mind nor the truth. The > blunt truth is, at least in my view of things, Apple is beginning to fail > miserably at there line of duty with accessibilty. Now, does this mean I'm > saying that they are purposefully? doing this? No! Mark it in red what I > say here: Ab, suh, lootly? not! I think they're just becoming more and > more lazy, maybe not wanting to be so involved. Maybe they're trying to > take on too much at once. I, don't, know! I don't know what goes on behind > the scenes there? I probably don't, wanna? know! The point is, we really > can't make accusations, can we! We don't know if they're really working > behind the scene or not. So, on the one hand, should we probably just > chill? Yes, but, having said that, is it mortally wrong for me to > constructively complain about observations I've found? Yes. Is it > justifiable to say negative things about bugs I find which we all knkow > exist? Yes! It's just an observation/opinion people? It's not your spouce > who won't... umm... I'm not finishing that... LOL! ROFL! > > You get the point. > > So in my defense, I ask jpeole, please be more gentle with me. I'm only > trying to help you all, and make suggestions. I may come on harsh at times, > I know I do, but for god sake, cut me some slack! I'm frustrated! Can you > blame me? Are we not all at one point or another in life? Bluntly? Deal > with it, or don't read my mail! It's not rocket science! > > OK, I'm not gonna keep ranting and raving about htis. I've said my peace and > hopefully've been heard. Enough is enough, in all respect fiarness to all > of you all. I rest my case. > > Chris. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. 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