Waistline2 WL: Revolution comes about as a result of the development of the means of production.
CB: However in the current computer rev in the means of production , a revolution has not come about. **** WL: -clip- I defined what I mean by revolution as a process that is taking place in front of us. ^^^^ CB: This has the appearance of wishful thinking or something. Not too many people would call what is going on in front of us a revolutionary process. To call what is going on in front of us in the USA a revolution seems like a form of American exceptionalism, speaking of American exceptionalism. This shit is not revolution. ^^^^ The words "development of the means of production" denotes a process of transition. The revolution is taking place and is not a single act but a historical process that takes place on the basis of new qualitative ingredients being injected into the production process. ^^^^^ CB: Classical Marxism ( See _The Manifesto of the Communist Party_) holds that new qualitative ingredients have been injected into the production process constantly through the entire bourgeois epoch most of the time not causing a revolution in the bourgeois property relations, i.e. without the social revolution taking place. ^^^^ Revolution is not a single act of series of acts but a process of displacement of one qualitative stage of history by another. You confuse revolution with insurrection. ^^^^^ CB: No I am not confusing revolution with insurrection. The social revolution of today would be the abolition of bourgeois private property. In terms of process, a revolution is relatively quick in historical context. It is a leap, relatively sudden. It will be a conscious act by tens of millions. It won't be slow and subtle, semiconscious, such that most of us wouldn't know it , only you. Revolution = qualitative change, or leap, relatively sudden. Insurrection can be a nodal point of a revolution, but it is not the entire revolution. The insurrection of October (Nov.) 1917 was not the revolution. However, the change in relations of property in Russia took place over several years, but those several years were relatively short compared to the many centuries of feudal and then decades of capitalist property relations that were the historical context of the Russian Rev. The property relations in the U.S. are not in 2005 in an apparent process of qualitative transformation from bourgeois to socialist. Yea that's my opinion, your opinion to the contrary notwithstanding. If there is an underground mass movement toward a socialist rev in the U.S, I'm glad. Go for it. I'll be glad to support it when it surfaces. Meanwhile, I am going treat our current situation as if it is not in revolutionary process ^^^^^ I am not distorting your meaning. ^^^^^ CB: Yes you are. ^^^^^^^^ Waistline _______________________________________________ Marxism-Thaxis mailing list [email protected] To change your options or unsubscribe go to: http://lists.econ.utah.edu/mailman/listinfo/marxism-thaxis
