What I think still exists is the Old Yankee upper class/crust, which of course is WHITE, Protestant & Anglo. And then there is HAHVAHD.
Dwight Giles Jr. Wickford RI On Jun 7, 2018 12:10 PM, "Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes" < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > Yes they were. I hope things have improved. It has been 19 years since I > lived there so I guess that provides a blip in the long history of the > area. > > I recall a drive through Mississippi years ago seeing a beat up old pickup > driven by what could only be described as a PhD nuclear physicist, or maybe > a theoretical cosmologist, sporting a window sticker saying “if I had > known, I’d have picked my own damn cotton “. I’m guessing he was not yet > entirely reconstructed. > > --R > Sent from iPhone > > > On Jun 7, 2018, at 11:53 AM, Dwight Giles via Mercedes < > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > > > > I think things have changed a lot since Floyd lived there. I have worked > > there the past > > 16 years. Certainly the Louise Hicks anti-busing days were very nasty. > > > > Dwight Giles Jr. > > Wickford RI > > > > On Jun 7, 2018 11:38 AM, "Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes" < > > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > > > >> I'm not going to cast aspersions but that has NOT been my experience > >> visiting the Boston area on numerous occasions over the past 5 years. > >> > >> On Thu, Jun 7, 2018 at 11:25 AM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes < > >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > >> > >>> Interestingly enough, I found the most racist/ethnicist place I have > ever > >>> lived to be liberal Massachusetts. The "race" aspect was sorta > secondary > >>> to the ethnic aspect, kinda as in you don't look like me, you aren't > like > >>> me, your family did not come from the same place as mine, you're a > >>> different religion, etc. I found that almost everyone disliked<->hated > >>> (somewhere on that spectrum) everyone else, at least those who were > more > >>> than one generation in the area. Being very stereotypical here, but I > >>> found that whites disliked<->hated blacks, and anyone else of a darker > >>> shade in general, (white) Irish and Italians hated one another, > >> Catholics, > >>> Jews, Protestants, Muslims, whatever. I had a Haitian neighbor who was > >>> really black, who viscerally hated the "American" blacks who lived up > the > >>> street from us and would go off on them sounding like an old klucker, > it > >>> was pretty bad but was also somewhat curious and mystifying but I > >> realized > >>> it came down to cultural values not color so much. > >>> > >>> It seemed to come down whoever had arrived more recently than the other > >>> group, and the ones later on were like monkeys in a tree, with the ones > >>> above "trickling" down on the ones below, so that created this sorta > >>> cultural/ethnic/racial animosity. Asians, specifically Vietnamese and > >>> Cambodians, were the latest groups to arrive, so everyone else looked > >> down > >>> on them. It was really strange. As an outsider I was never fully > >>> "integrated" but did eventually make some more-or-less "local" friends > >> but > >>> it took a coupla decades. > >>> > >>> Living here at ground zero for slavery, I find that of course there is > >>> still fairly strong racism ( the area is not particularly > >>> racially/ethnically diverse, though hispanics are becoming a larger > part > >> of > >>> the community) but at least where I live folks mostly get along while > >> both > >>> sides maintain some self-segregation due to historical issues (slavery, > >> Jim > >>> Crow, KKK, etc.) that are still very present in family experiences as > >> this > >>> stuff was quite present up until fairly recently. The disliked<->hated > >>> aspect is not nearly as up front as it was in "liberal" Massachusetts > >> which > >>> I find kinda strange. > >>> > >>> All that said, it seems to be human nature that we divide ourselves > into > >>> cohorts based on race, ethnicity, culture, beliefs, interests, or > >> whatever, > >>> and that becomes a basis for a "community" of thought or attitude, in > >> some > >>> cases established generations ago, and it gets reinforced and accepted > as > >>> "normal." I just read a book called Hillbilly Elegy that lays out very > >>> clearly how the Eastern Kentucky culture continued through a diaspora > in > >>> the 50s (or earlier) to what is now the Rust Belt, and is still quite > >>> apparent today. So there are these subsets of cultural behaviors even > >>> among the white population that I find quite off-putting and they don't > >>> really involve any racial aspects. > >>> > >>> Musings... > >>> > >>> --R > >>> > >>> > >>>> On 6/7/18 9:48 AM, Donald Snook via Mercedes wrote: > >>>> > >>>> Mountain Man wrote: > >>>> > >>>> "That is what I want - nice country area, no racism, but "boys" that > are > >>>> people to be with, that are people to teach how life is. Life is more > >> than > >>>> what the city stifles us to be. Does anyone know if this is possible? > >> - or > >>>> is this a mere city slicker dream?" > >>>> > >>>> I'm not exactly sure what you are asking. Are you seeking an out of > the > >>>> way rural country life? If so, you can go to a lot of places other > >> than > >>>> Mississippi. But, the state certainly offers plenty of places where > you > >>>> won't see much other than farms. > >>>> > >>>> Mississippi has a population around 3 Million. It is a fairly large > >>>> state in terms of geographical size. The urban (or semi urban) areas > >> are > >>>> located on the coast, around Jackson, and to a lesser extent: > >> Hattiesburg > >>>> and the college towns of Oxford and Starkville. Oxford is a > Beautiful > >>>> town. It is home to "Ole Miss." Because it is a college town, it is > >>>> probably one of the more liberal areas in the whole state. Of course, > >>>> "liberal" in Mississippi is much different than Liberal in Illinois or > >>>> Massachusetts. > >>>> > >>>> The least populated county in the state is Issaquena County. It is > far > >>>> west and central. It is notable because it had the highest > >> concentration > >>>> of slaves (before the Civil War) of any County in the Country. 40+% of > >> the > >>>> county is in poverty and the county has the highest unemployment in > the > >>>> state. > >>>> > >>>> Hinds and Jackson Counties are the most populous. > >>>> > >>>> _______________________________________ > >>>> http://www.okiebenz.com > >>>> > >>>> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > >>>> > >>>> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > >>>> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>> -- > >>> --FT > >>> > >>> > >>> _______________________________________ > >>> http://www.okiebenz.com > >>> > >>> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > >>> > >>> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > >>> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > >>> > >>> > >> _______________________________________ > >> http://www.okiebenz.com > >> > >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > >> > >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > >> > >> > > _______________________________________ > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > > _______________________________________ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > _______________________________________ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
