Your forgetting cycles for clients in this model, and the first come
first serve nature of WiFi. If you just have two radios talking, don't
use WDS, use a backhaul method. WDS leads to anger, anger leads to the
dark side.
(10 megs) ~ AP WDS ~ STN WDS -- Desktop PC
If this is the case, don't do it. Just switch into backhaul mode,
Tranzeo's PxP, MT's PtP or anything but WDS please.
CPE(S) <--> AP WDS -<--> AP WDS <-wire-> PC X 1
5 Megs for CPEs, 5 for PC. Best use of WDS.
Of course, it's never just one, that's why you put in the repeater, to
get the 4 houses beyond it.
CPE(S) <--> AP WDS -<--> AP WDS <-wireless->CPE(s)
2.5 or less, shared.
Better solution, more radios, but still cuts throughput
CPE(S) <--> AP WDS -<--> AP WDS <-wire->AP<-->CPE(s)
5/5
But you could also do
CPE(S) <--> AP -<-wire-> PtP <-->Ptp<--> AP<-->CPE(s)
And not have any cut in throughput.
And just for ug factor, What happens when the WDS is used "just this one
time" :-)
CPE(S) <--> AP WDS -<--> AP WDS <--> AP WDS<-->Feed
| | |
CPEs CPEs CPEs
|
AP WDS
|
AP WDS
|
CPES
WDS used to be the poor mans repeater, but you can set up a pair of 5
GHz backhauls for 200 bucks now, and not have to deal with this.
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From: mikrotik-boun...@mail.butchevans.com
[mailto:mikrotik-boun...@mail.butchevans.com] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Wednesday, December 02, 2009 3:57 PM
To: Mikrotik discussions
Subject: [SPAM] - Re: [Mikrotik] WDS - Found word(s) list error in the
Text body
>From my understanding...
If you have
(10 megs) ~ AP WDS ~ AP WDS ~ WLAN/LAPTOP
The PC gets 5 megs
If you have
(10 megs) ~ AP WDS ~ STN WDS -- Desktop PC
The PC gets 10 megs
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On Wed, Dec 2, 2009 at 4:19 PM, Robert Andrews
<rob...@avantwireless.com>wrote:
Damian,
I'm unclear about what you wrote. Does WDS lose 1/2 bandwidth with
2
WDS clients off one AP or, as I thought, with every set of repeaters
off one WDS AP?
Robert
Damian Wallace wrote:
What happens inside WDS is worse than that. WDS is great for some
Enterprise apps, where you want to get coverage to the boardroom and
you don't care if the throughput isn't great and gets pulled down by
the peer, just that you have coverage. WDS is also good for
connecting two sites, BOTH of which don't have a lot of traffic. WDS
slows all of the peers.
The process is the same for Client and AP. This is gross
simplification so you can nitpick the details but the idea is here.
1) Divide transmission cycles into equal groups of number of peers
plus 1, for the radio itself. So if I have 1 peer, n=2. If I have 3
peers, then n=4.
2) Every 1/n cycles, I send to data from the radio, then I send the
data to the other radios in sequence. Some traffic is also sent
broadcast.
If there is an error on a WDS transmission, all of the packets are
usually resent. 3) The effect of WDS is to lower your throughput to
1/2^(n-1) under
load. If I have a single peer, then my throughput is 1/2. With 3
peers, 1/8th. 3) WDS doesn't need the MAC address to route the RF
traffic, so it is transparent, if it is WDS-AP to WDS-AP.
WDS is a poorly designed hack that sort of works for many cases. But
it has many tradeoffs, the key one being throughout. Backhaul modes
and meshing protocols add smarts to the routing of the traffic, and
that is why they generally are transparent and fast.
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From: mikrotik-boun...@mail.butchevans.com
[mailto:mikrotik-boun...@mail.butchevans.com] On Behalf Of Ryan Spott
Sent: Wednesday, December 02, 2009 6:44 AM
To: Mikrotik discussions
Subject: [Spam Bayesian - ] - Re: [Mikrotik] Strange DUDE problem -
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Think of it like a HUB. All ports (APs) send and receive the same
traffic.
ryan
On Tue, Dec 1, 2009 at 10:59 PM, Josh Luthman
<j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>wrote:
WDS cuts bandwidth in half because it "syncs" with the AP. Not sure
is ap wds and station wds act the same though.
On 12/2/09, Chris Gotstein <ch...@uplogon.com> wrote:
I keep hearing that it cuts your bandwidth in half on the AP side.
Seems everyone (vendors) i talk to tells me to stay away from it.
Robert Andrews wrote:
But the ends do justify the means... WDS is how wireless should
have
worked in the first place.. Anyone have a reason that it wasn't
done
this way in the first place?
On 12/01/2009 10:30 PM, Bill Prince wrote:
Yesh. I just went through this a few weeks ago; all remotely.
The
hassle is that when you switch the Tranzeo to AP mode, you need to
get into it again to enter the MAC address of the "partner". But
if you
then switch the MT into client mode, it will let you get back
into the Tranzeo. Then finish up the MAC address rigmarole.
Finally, go back to the MT and switch it to WDS as previously
described.
Note that you may have to "hunt" for the SSID on the Tranzeo if
it's
never been an AP before.
Bill Prince
Skyline Broadband Service
(a division of Coastal Sierra)
650-917-9279
Ryan Spott wrote:
You can... if you are careful. :)
Do the tranzeo first, and then hope everything connects when do
you setup the Mtik. :)
ryan
On Tue, Dec 1, 2009 at 9:52 PM, Josh Luthman
<j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>wrote:
Aww damn I can't do it remotely can I? :(
On 12/2/09, Robert Andrews <rob...@avantwireless.com> wrote:
In WDS (not extended proprietary WDS like some vendors have),
BOTH devices are in AP mode. That's why you don't see WDS on
the tranzeo
till you switch it to AP. Both devices will get the mac
address
of the
other radio.
On 12/01/2009 08:53 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
MT AP and Tranzeo CPE - reverse that. I have WDS on my AP
already.
On 12/1/09, Ryan Spott<rsp...@cspott.com> wrote:
On the Tranzeo:
1. Wireless Settings -> Wireless Mode: Access Point 2.
Apply
3. WDS (this is now visible) 4. Enter AP MAC Address 1 (this would
be
the MAC address of the
Mikrotik
ie:
0000006300F6)
5. Apply
On the Mikrotik (no laughing all you CLI junkies, I can kick
butt on a Cisco... just not an Mtik) 1. Interface 2. Click
the Plus button and choose WDS 3. Under the WDS tab of the
window that pops up choose the master interface
appropriately.
4. Under the WDS tab of the window that pops up enter the
MAC
address
of
the
Tranzeo in 00:00:00 format.
5. Add this new interface to the bridge group that your
other
interface is in.
That should be it.
ryan
On Tue, Dec 1, 2009 at 5:32 PM, Josh Luthman
<j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>wrote:
TR6 I think. I know it has an external 24dbi grid.
On 12/1/09, D. Ryan Spott<rsp...@cspott.com> wrote:
What model Tranzeo are you running?
Ryan
On Dec 1, 2009, at 5:04 PM, Josh Luthman<
j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
wrote:
How can I do WDS? Where is the option?
On 12/1/09, Ryan Spott<rsp...@cspott.com> wrote:
You can do WDS mode.
I have this running on 2 poor-mans-repeaters right now.
ryan
On Tue, Dec 1, 2009 at 2:56 PM, Josh Luthman
<j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>wrote:
My tranzeo? There is no "bridge mode" so I'm not sure
what you're referring to. It is in infrastructure
mode.
I can't do WDS/PxP mode
as
that
requires
a Tranzeo AP (my AP is Mikrotik).
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
"The secret to creativity is knowing how to hide your
sources."
--- Albert Einstein
On Tue, Dec 1, 2009 at 5:55 PM, Carl A jeptha <
wispli...@airnet.ca> wrote:
This Tranzeo is in bridge mode?????
You have a Good Day now,
Carl A Jeptha
http://www.airnet.ca
Office Phone: 1-877-534-0021 ext 206 Office Hours:
9:00am - 5:00pm skype cajeptha
Josh Luthman wrote:
Never used any agents.
I am trying to document these customers behind this
Tranzeo CPE (it's a small repeater) and the arp proxy
makes it one bit more
difficult.
Does anyone know how the Dude can give me the correct MAC if
I
make a device with the right IP? It obviously isn't
simple ARP.
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
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Suite 1337
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sources."
--- Albert Einstein
On Tue, Dec 1, 2009 at 5:45 PM, Carl A jeptha <
wispli...@airnet.ca>
wrote:
I have found that the Dude Server has no problem
with
Tranzeo's in
bridge
mode. The "Agent" on the Ap's has a problem with
tranzeo's
in Router mode.
You have a Good Day now,
Carl A Jeptha
http://www.airnet.ca Office Phone: 1-877-534-0021
ext 206 Office Hours: 9:00am
- 5:00pm skype cajeptha
Josh Luthman wrote:
WDS mode or PTP mode (PxP mode on wireless
settings)
requires
a
Tranzeo
AP
as well. Does not work with any other AP. Stupid
802.11.
What is odd to me is that Ubnt AirOS (and obviously
Mikrotik)
CPEs
and
Mikrotik APs can do this. Any idea why?
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
"The secret to creativity is knowing how to hide
your
sources."
--- Albert Einstein
On Wed, Nov 18, 2009 at 8:51 PM, Bill Prince<
part...@skylinebroadbandservice.com> wrote:
That's SOP in 802.11.
To not obfuscate the MAC addresses behind a
Tranzeo, you need to turn on PTP mode and/or use
WDS.
The key is "transparent bridge", and box-stock
802.11 devices do not
do
transparent bridge.
Bill Prince
Skyline Broadband Service (a division of Coastal
Sierra)
650-917-9279
Josh Luthman wrote:
Tranzeo has a problem with proxy arp - everything
behind it is the
MAC
of the Tranzeo. Might be related.
On 11/18/09, Richard Hatherill
Jr.<ri...@callrich.com
wrote:
I could never get dude to work properly past a
particular backhaul
of
my
network.
I have 10 Mikrotik links on the other side of a
tr5a24 bridge / backhaul.
I just replaced the tr5a24's with a mikrotik
backhaul
2
weeks ago,
All 10 of the Mikrotik boxes on the other side
have
been
100%
reporting
in
Dude now.
Before the replacement 1-5 of the mik boxes
would
report
up/
down
conditions
all through the day.
Now all is well. Nothing down in 2 weeks.
Rich Hatherill
Cnywireless
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From: "Carl A jeptha"<wispli...@airnet.ca>
Sent: Wednesday, November 18, 2009 7:44 PM
To: "Mikrotik discussions"<
mikrotik@mail.butchevans.com>
Subject: [Mikrotik] Strange DUDE problem
I have restarted my DUDE program for monitoring
purposes.
But now seem to have a new issue with Tranzeo's.
When the Dude agent in a subnet does a scan for
devices
(discovery)
it
will attach all the tranzeo mac addresses to a
single
tranzeo
radio????
Any thoughts?
--
You have a Good Day now,
Carl A Jeptha
http://www.airnet.ca Office Phone:
1-877-534-0021
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