i agree,,,,,,,,,,
&&&& i will add, to the words, "Mint" or "Near Mint" ----GOOD, VERY GOOD............ for some reason, this is a toooooo controversial subject on MOPO mbb From: MoPo List [mailto:mop...@listserv.american.edu] On Behalf Of Todd Feiertag Sent: Thursday, September 03, 2009 4:32 AM To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU Subject: Re: [MOPO] the role of restoration in forgeries I believe that anyone who linenbacks a Mint or Near Mint poster is committing a serious crime and should be held up in front of a firing squad and shot!! Just kidding of course!! It is a shame though, since if that poster is 50, 60 or 70 years old, in such a wonderful condition, and I've seen many posters that old and older in Near Mint or Mint condition, the poster will easily outlive you and will still be in that great similar condition in another 50, 60 or 70 years from now, under it's same environmental conditions. Personally for myself, I will only linenback or back a poster if it really needs it, if it's just too distracting as is, such as if it's missing chunks of paper within the image or something similar. Todd -----Original Message----- From: Doug Taylor <douglasbtay...@hotmail.com> To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU Sent: Thu, Sep 3, 2009 9:44 am Subject: Re: [MOPO] the role of restoration in forgeries Todd, The more I reflect on the LB’ing I’ve done, the more I’m moving toward yo ur way of thinking. (except for the firing squad part) Regards DBT Profile From: MoPo List [mailto:mop...@listserv.american.edu] On Behalf Of Todd Feiertag Sent: Thursday, September 03, 2009 4:32 AM To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU Subject: Re: [MOPO] the role of restoration in forgeries I believe that anyone who linenbacks a Mint or Near Mint poster is committing a serious crime and should be held up in front of a firing squad and shot!! Just kidding of course!! It is a shame though, since if that poster is 50, 60 or 70 years old, in such a wonderful condition, and I've seen many posters that old and older in Near Mint or Mint condition, the poster will easily outlive you and will still be in that great similar condition in another 50, 60 or 70 years from now, under it's same environmental conditions. Personally for myself, I will only linenback or back a poster if it really needs it, if it's just too distracting as is, such as if it's missing chunks of paper within the image or something similar. Todd Date: Wed, 2 Sep 2009 16:26:31 -0400 From: douglasbtay...@hotmail.com Subject: Re: [MOPO] the role of restoration in forgeries To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU I have had almost every poster I own LB’d, regardless of grade…and many were Mint to begin with. (Perhaps proving my own insanity, I refuse to grade a poster that has been LB’d higher than NM, even if it was my p oster and Mint before backing.) Many were backed without restoration, even of the fold lines. Many with “normal” restoration of folds to make them appear “mint”. I originally began the practice because it helped in preservation and handling and, when I first started collecting in the late 1980’s/early 1990’s, LB’d posters generally garnered a higher price and it appeared to me to be an industry standard. As I gained experience I learned that it was personal taste. Now, of course, many feel it is a detriment to the poster. I’m happy with my collection but I must say that, over time, I’ve come to question my decision to LB everything. Also, as I develop more wrinkles, I’ve come to appreciate more the wrinkles in my old posters. Regards DBT Profile From: MoPo List [mailto:mop...@listserv.american.edu] On Behalf Of Richard Halegua Comic Art Sent: Wednesday, September 02, 2009 4:17 PM To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU Subject: Re: [MOPO] the role of restoration in forgeries my opinion on restoration & linenbacking: I only have a single poster in my collection that I paid to get linenbacked and I will not get that many restored for myself there are posters I have which must be backed & restored for conservation & display. But they have to have serious issues as I'm just as happy displaying a poster with tears and smal l pieces out as I would be with a nmint poster and I don't care if a poster shows folds. I'm all for originality. Some posters cannot be owned that way I also know people who linenback every poster for their own collection even if the poster was NM to begin with. I disagree with this position. I like originality, if it's messed up.. so what, it's messed up - but I still love it. (note, I actually realize I have 3 posters that paid to have backed. two are 3 sheets) At 12:59 PM 9/2/2009, Anne Coco wrote: I have been reading the discussion surrounding the recent revelations about forgeries have been discussed and there is one point I would like to make before this topic is sidelined as old news. The over-restoration of movie posters has contributed greatly to forgers’ ability to fake old paper. Too much paint makes it difficult to determine not only how much (if any) original paper actually exists but it also plays into the hands of those with nefarious plans. As I understand it, the forgers not only distressed the paper that they used but they also applied over-painting because this is a common practice within the field of collectible movie paper. I would advocate for movie paper collectibles to instead be evaluated based on their original condition not some ideal that can be created via the application of over-painting. If anything good comes out of this, it would be (in my opinion) that collectors would look at posters with fold20creases and paper losses and learn to love them just the way they are without paint to brighten the colors and obscure the signs of use. If the practice of over-painting could magically disappear, it would be much easier to determine what is and is not real. Visible fold creases should be viewed as a clue that the paper is truly what it claims to be while a lack of fold creases should be a cause of concern for collectors. If the fold creases, background and borders have been over-painted, how can you be certain that what you are buying is more paper than paint? And I haven’t even touched on the problems of what happens to paint and paper when they age. It’s not pretty, especially if the piece was exhibited under less than ideal light conditions in a frame on a wall in your house for a long period of time. That said I completely understand that paper losses particularly in the image area can detract greatly from the enjoyment of a poster. In these cases, those in the field of paper conservation would tell you that whatever you do should be completely reversible serving only to trick the eye at a distance but completely revealing itself upon close inspection. Whether you collect for personal enjoyment, as an investment or as part of a larger institutional mandate, the posters we all hold are part of our larger cultural heritage as well as assets to be protected. Please take my comments as an attempt to ask the field to re-evalu ate current practices and think about the long-term implications of over-restoration. The benefit will be increased transparency which will make it more difficult for forgers to ply their trade and collections that will continue to awe for generations to come. 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