On 7/25/06, Chris Bransden <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
On 26/07/06, Bogdan Butnaru <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I start this thread because of (1) and to a related thread on the
> user's list. I started it here because I think this is a guideline
> issue and we need to discuss as such. I encountered similar
> situations before.
>
> (1) http://musicbrainz.org/show/edit/?editid=5258089
>
> The current guidelines say rather flatly that homebrews are
> discouraged. I think we should at least change that formula to an
> explicitly more flexible version. Perhaps even add an "internet
> bootleg release" rule, separately.
>
> I stated this in a (less organized) note on the edit above: homebrews
> and most torrents are random collections of songs of no musical
> interest except to a very small number of people, and for a short
> time.
>
> But that doesn't mean all home-burnt CDs and music .torrents are
> uninteresting for MB. We do keep in the database demo tapes that were
> released by some obscure band thirty years ago, when they were even
> more obscure, in 200 copies, on tapes, recorded in their basements.
> And we (at least I) care for them and consider them important (or at
> least interesting) pieces of discographic history.
>
> How can we then look at a collection of all the songs in one of
> Billboard's (*) tops and dismiss it as a "homebrew" just because it
> was not released on a physical bootleg CD from Russia(**), but
> through a torrent? I have seen almost-one-year-old torrents of such
> collections that still had 500+ downloaders. Not to mention that it
> is, in fact, a collection of the best-sold music of the times, which
> is not a very arbitrary criterion.
but where's the line between arbitrary and non-arbitrary? where's the
line between popular and non-popular (and how do you really measure
that on the internet anyway? torrents are the only method of
distribution, and aren't centralised anyway)? surely any criteria is
worthy of indexing if it's popular, and if, say, one were to compile a
torrent of the top 100 of 1978 in iceland it would be as non-arbitrary
as the case above.
IMO you can't make rules about this sort of thing, so it's best to say
"everything goes" (freedb...) or "only these concrete cases" (current
system).
> Such a collection is, I insist, worthy of MusicBrainz, both as a
> tagging database and as a discographic database. (In fact, I'd even
> agree with adding at least some of Billboard's tops even if there was
> not, in fact, a torrent containing the songs.)
you'd index a criteria of music, despite this not neccesarily being
released in any form?!
It's released in list form. :)
I wonder if we could suspend the edit in question
(http://musicbrainz.org/show/edit/?editid=5258089) so as to not waste
the time of haeretik, who added the release. Can we all change to
Abstain until this discussion is completed?
--
-Aaron
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