On Thu, Jul 27, 2006 at 12:13:00AM +0200, Mangled wrote: > >Personally I much prefer standard sentence case because it's much > >simpler > > Being "simpler" doesn't make it "good", or even "better". Argument > discarded, says the prosecutor :D
When did I say that it makes it good or better? I simply stated my preference. > Because definite articles are not indefinite articles. That's just stating what I said with bigger words. Why do definite articles make words capitalised and not indefinite artciles? > >Furthermore, I don't recall seeing any new add release edits where the > >capitalisation was correct by our current guidelines > > Me neither, as I don't enter french releases, and I don't vote a lot. > Still, I know I fixed quite a few, and I know there are other moderators > actually fixing them. > > Again, to me, the fact some/most people don't read/understand/follow > guidelines doesn't proove these rules are essentially wrong. I didn't say that the rules are wrong. However, there is no point in deciding on rules that nobody except a couple of people use. > I would say most of them are entered English-style, and 90% of the time > are simply murdered (accents are the first victim). I had a look through 50 recent French albums, there were 30 sentence caps, 17 English style and 3 with just the important words capitalised. The only ones added using the current guidelines were a couple by you and azertus. Are you planning on editing every single French album that gets added? > >Also, because of its complexity, > > Once again: I don't see any complexity in them, and everybody I asked > (including these wanting to remove them) perfectly understand them. So I > think this point is moot: they are *not* complex. and who did you ask? You didn't ask me and I don't perfectly understand them. Of course you don't find them hard, you're a native speaker and you like these rules. They're still complex in that they require knowledge of the language and its grammar. When deciding whether a word is capitalised depends on its function and position in a sentence, whether the title starts with specific words and whether it conains verbs or not. That's a lot of things to consider when nearly all the others are simply "is this a name? if yes, capitalise it" or "is this a word from a short list of joining words? if yes, lowercase it". > Don't cap if it's a verbal phrase. If it match one of the two simple > schemes, and you can identify grammar function of the words, just cap'em > ;) > > Oh, well, forget about it - just drop me a mail when you need some :p Guess I won't bother fixing any French titles then. Oh well, more work for you. I really think we should be choosing something sensible, in that people are likely to actually use it. You already know that many French albums are a mess, but by choosing these guidelines we're making it so that everything except what a couple of people have edited is a mess. > Mmmm, so I guess the next victim will be german? hey, Shep! ;) There's one big difference, German just uses normal sentence capitalisation, it just so happens that nouns are always capitalised, title or not. --Nikki _______________________________________________ Musicbrainz-style mailing list Musicbrainz-style@lists.musicbrainz.org http://lists.musicbrainz.org/mailman/listinfo/musicbrainz-style
