On Sun, Apr 11, 2010 at 11:35 AM, symphonick <symphon...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 2010-04-11 12:13, Frederic Da Vitoria skrev: > > 2010/4/11 Brian Schweitzer <brian.brianschweit...@gmail.com > > <mailto:brian.brianschweit...@gmail.com>> > > > > > > > > On Sat, Apr 10, 2010 at 4:58 PM, symphonick <symphon...@gmail.com > > <mailto:symphon...@gmail.com>> wrote: > > > > 2010-04-10 20:57, Leiv Hellebo skrev: > > > Brian Schweitzer wrote: > > >> On Sat, Apr 10, 2010 at 12:24 AM, Leiv Hellebo wrote: > > >> > > > > >> > > There's 5 positions I know of which I've not tried to > > >> handle, as they > > >> > > all seem more like Location-Artist ARs to me, should we > > >> ever get > > >> > > Locations... > > >> > > Artist-in-residence > > >> > > Conductor-in-residence > > >> > > Composer-in-residence > > >> > > Concert Producer > > >> > > Music Supervisor > > >> > > >> > > >> Googling conductor-in-residence readily gives plenty of > > artist-artist > > >> relations, so I don't understand why you think > > Location-Artist is > > >> better. > > >> > > > As for -in-residence, that was my thought > > >> initially, and I saw the same from Google. Then I looked > > through a lot > > >> of those Google hits (somewhere around 300 of them), and all > > but 3 or 4 > > >> really boiled down to "Foo is/was conductor/artist in > > residence to > > >> foundation/location Pez which is also the organization > > behind/location > > >> of orchestra/choir Bar". Hence why Foo-Pez and Pez-Bar > > >> ('location-artist' ARs) would both make more sense to me > > than a direct > > >> artist-artist AR. > > > > > > I see this, but although there is another organisation paying > > the bill > > > and it is tied to a particular location, I think perhaps > > > > > > ConductorA is/was conductor in residence with OrchestraB > > > > > > is better anyway. ConductorA needs the Orchestra(s) of the > > location more > > > than he needs the location, and it seems more of a musical > > relationship. > > > > > > For those rare cases where it really is a direct > > >> artist-artist, those seemed safely enough cat-corners to > > leave out for > > >> the moment, both to avoid growing the proposal even more and > > to avoid > > >> that majority of location-artist ARs being entered as > > artist-artist ARs, > > >> since we're currently lacking both locations and those much > > more correct > > >> (imho) artist-location ARs. > > > > > > AFAIK there is no influx of users dying to add this data or > > complaining > > > about the lack thereof either, so I agree there is no rush to > > add this. > > > > > > > +1 > > > > Regarding my constant whining about guest conductor: the main > issue > > would be: When is a conductor NOT a guest conductor? > > > > > > When they're contracted by the group/orchestra/choir/etc to be the > > current/permanent conductor, whatever type of non-guest conductor > > that may be. Compare that with a conductor who's stepping in for a > > specific performance, esp when they're introduced/listed as a guest, > > such that there really is a "guest" situation. > > > > An example: Herbert von Karajan was not a guest conductor for the Berlin > > Philharmonic Orchestra. > > > > I know, I should have phrased the question differently. How about this: > When are we dealing with "plain" conductor (not guest, not chief)? You > could argue that if you're not employed (as chiefconductor), then you're > a guest conductor? > > /symphonick > No, because they cuold also be just a 'conductor'; 'chief' (aka 'principal' ) is a title. A conductor emeritus is neither guest nor principal, and none of these - a cohabitating conductor-in-residence, and secondary/tertiary conductors for an opera (or large work, such as the 1812 overture, which can have 2+ conductors) - would be guest, principal, or emeritus. The person's title can also just be (and frequently is) 'conductor'. Brian
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