On Fri, Feb 24, 2012 at 19:47, jesus2099 <hta3s836gzac...@jetable.org> wrote: > > Philip Jägenstedt wrote >> To clarify for everyone who wasn't around, you did not participate in >> the original RFC/RFV cycle, but did object after the fact > > I note that you are quite blatant not fair play here pretending I did not > participate as you recognized I was the only one to have done so!
The history of the issue is available for everyone to inspect, so this accusation carries little weight. There has been no foul play, so let's just focus on the actual issue. > Philip Jägenstedt wrote >> I don't understand what "much more official" means > More official means more official. My pics are from schoolbooks and from > governamental propaganda. > Here is a new one if you want from this month in south > AN TOÀN GIAO THÔNG HẠNH PHÚC CỦA MỌI NHÀ ! (lol) > http://i.imgur.com/Ybtcu.jpg There are plenty of schoolbook examples in http://wiki.musicbrainz.org/Talk:Style/Language/Vietnamese#From_an_Hanoi_Book_Store If I were still in Hanoi I could go out and find more examples of the no-spaces style in printed government materials, but I doubt that would convince you. No one is disputing that the French style can still be found, I'm just disputing that it's any more official. > Philip Jägenstedt wrote >> every single item with print (mostly food) that I have brought back uses >> English style punctuation. > If you want food, here you go (coffee, from my crappy phone camera) > http://i.imgur.com/akneU.jpg > http://i.imgur.com/RH2Sv.jpg Here are the 10 food items I found in my bag: <http://wiki.musicbrainz.org/Talk:Style/Language/Vietnamese#From_food_items> As with the other 3 random-ish samples that I have taken, the no-space style comes out on top, this time by a very large margin. > Philip Jägenstedt wrote >> the evidence collected in >> http://wiki.musicbrainz.org/Talk:Style/Language/Vietnamese clearly show >> that both styles have been used in teaching materials, by the same >> publisher even. I suspect (but cannot prove) that spaces are used more >> often in materials for younger students for clarity. >> > > The only such picture (B2) is unfortunately missing. :p No, there are plenty of pictures of teaching materials at the given link, some of them from the publisher in question. > Philip Jägenstedt wrote >> Consistency is, IMHO, one of the most valuable aspects of the MB > Absolutely no need to be zealous for just a handful of tracks. > Are the english used in Japanese releases consistent ? no ? does anyone die > from that ? If you think arguing by analogy of <http://wiki.musicbrainz.org/Capitalization_Standard/Japanese_Releases_Clarification> is useful, why aren't you suggesting that the capitalization of Vietnamese releases be preserved as well? > Philip Jägenstedt wrote >> Practically, if you and I look at the same cover scan and have >> different preferences, in 20% of the cases we will disagree if there >> is a space there or not. >> > Is it so difficult to see a space ? or a no space ? be serious, please. > Just forget of anything like narrow space etc. It’s just a matter of > SPACE=YES or SPACE=NO, OK ? > If you input SPACE I don’t care it’s not another sort of space. It’s what’s > already done in french. I don't know why you think I'm not being serious. How should edit conflicts be resolved when one editor sees a half-width space and the other just sees glyph kerning? This *will* happen if the Vietnamese artists get enough attention from editors with opposite preferences. > ---- END OF THE OFF TOPIC CRAP ---- Being abusive does not help your case. > This is an english style no-spaces country → we see less than 5% of spaces > before punctuation (not the case here). > We see many spaces (more than half, and majority in official stuff) and many > no-spaces (I say some) → this is not an english style no-spaces country In any random sample I have taken the results have been clear: no-spaces is the dominant style. > THE RFV IS NOT VETOED AS FAR AS I AM CONCERNED. > If a style leader could now confirm or infirm this, thanks. I am also looking forward to hearing from our style leader, and suggest that we stop this thread until that time. -- Philip Jägenstedt _______________________________________________ MusicBrainz-style mailing list MusicBrainz-style@lists.musicbrainz.org http://lists.musicbrainz.org/mailman/listinfo/musicbrainz-style
