> On Apr 26, 2016, at 12:10 , Larry Sheldon <larryshel...@cox.net> wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> On 4/20/2016 10:15, Owen DeLong wrote:
>> 
>>> On Apr 20, 2016, at 7:59 AM, Jean-Francois Mezei 
>>> <jfmezei_na...@vaxination.ca> wrote:
>>> 
>>> On 2016-04-20 10:52, Owen DeLong wrote:
>>> 
>>>> For the most part, “long distance” calls within the US are a thing of the
>>>> past and at least one mobile carrier now treats US/CA/MX as a single
>>>> local calling area
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Is this a case of telcos having switched to IP trunks and can reach
>>> other carriers for "free"
>>> 
>>> Or are wholesale long distance still billed between carriers but at
>>> prices so low that they can afford to offer "free" long distance at
>>> retail level ?
>> 
>> I think it boiled down to a recognition that the costs of billing were 
>> beginning to account for something like $0.99 of every $1 billed.
> 
> I wonder if the costs of avoiding-preventing-investigating toll fraud final 
> grow to consume the profit in the product.

IIRC, mostly it boiled down to the maintenance of the antiquated SMDR equipment 
and its interface to the even more antiquated billing systems was getting 
expensive to keep running and that there was no perceived potential whatsoever 
for ROI on building a new billing system or new SMDR capabilities.

> I know that long ago there were things that I thought were insanely silly.  A 
> few examples:
> 
> As an ordinary citizen I was amused and annoyed, in the case where a toll 
> charge had been contested (and perforce refunded) there would often be 
> several non-revenue calls to the protesting number asking whoever answered if 
> they knew anybody in the called city, or if they knew who the called number 
> belonged to.   (Proper answer in any case:  Who or what I know is none of 
> your business.)  Often there would calls to the called number (super 
> irritating because the error was in the recording--later learned to be poor 
> handwriting) asking the reciprocal questions except that often they had no 
> idea that a call had been made.

ROFLMAO… Yeah. Next time we’re in the same locale, ask me about my 2.5 year 
argument with Pacific Bell about direct dial calls to Vietnam and the 
Philippines from my apartment in Richmond. There should be alcohol involved.

> I  was a Toll Transmissionman for a number or years back in the last iceage 
> and one of the onerous tasks the supervisor had was "verifying the phone 
> bill" which might be a stack as much as six inches tall.  The evening shift 
> supervisor (or one of them in a large office, like Los Angeles 1 Telegraph, 
> where I worked for a while) would go through the bill, line by line, page by 
> page, looking at the called number an d if he recognized it and placing a 
> check mark next to it,  If he did not recognize it, he would search the many 
> lists in the office to see it was shown, and adding a check mark if a list 
> showed it for a likely sounding legal call.  If that didn't work he would 
> probably have to call the number to see who answered (adding a wasted 
> revenue-call path to the wreckage).  Most often it would turn out to be the 
> home telephone number of a repair supervisor in West Sweatsock, Montana, who 
> had been called because a somebody who protested the policy that the 
> repairman going fishing meant some problem would not be addressed for several 
> days.  So he put a check mark next to the number and moved on.
> 
> Which meant the number would show up on the next month's bill.  And it would 
> again not be recognized from memory.  And so forth and so on. Until 
> eventually, after several months, the number would be recognized, 
> check-marked without drama, and disappear forever from the bill.
> 
> Lastly, in later years I was assigned to the the Revenue Accounting 
> organization (to write programs for printing telephone books) and came to 
> realize that there were a LOT of people in RA working with a LOT of people in 
> the Chief Special Agents organization using a LOT of computer time to analyze 
> Toll records for fraud patterns.
> 
> Oops, not quite lastly....  Looking back at my Toll Plant days in the heyday 
> of Captain Crunch--there were a lot engineering hours redesigning Toll 
> equipment, and plant hours modifying or replacing equipment do defeat the 
> engineering efforts of the Blue Box Boys.

I really liked it while my Blue Box still worked. lol

For a while, SS7 was the bane of my existence.

Fun times!!

When a minute of long distance from California to New York was $0.35+, there 
was enough money in the billing process to cover the costs of tracking the 
minute. Once it got down to $0.03 and then $0.01, that really took a lot of the 
margin away.

One thing I always found particularly amusing was that it used to be a toll 
call to call from San Jose East (408238) to Sunnyvale (I forget the NPA/NXX), 
but that there were several prefixes in San Jose West (e.g. 408360 IIRC) where 
it was free to call from San Jose East and could place a free call to Sunnyvale.

I also discovered that a single line with call forwarding was relatively cheap 
per month and could forward many calls into a hunt group.

So, we used to extend the toll-free reach of BBS systems by finding “friends” 
with houses in strategic prefixes and having them install a single telephone 
line with call forwarding. Then, once the line was installed, we’d run over to 
the location, program the forwarder to go to the BBS hunt lead number and 
voila… Instant toll free unlimited BBS calling for another 20-30 prefixes for 
less than $15/month and completely legal.

At first, we thought we had to hide what we were doing as we were sure that the 
phone company would object, but we later discovered that absent a PUC 
proceeding to change the tariff they really didn’t have anything they could say 
about it. We started showing up on the day of install to dial in the forwarding 
and confirm functionality while the tech was still on site. You should have 
seen some of the reactions when we showed up with a butt set, set up call 
forwarding, told someone to make a test call and waited for positive 
confirmation. Priceless.

Owen

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