I forgot, people can disable that bubble, or maybe even dialog (?) (but probably better not a dialog) somehow with a "Don't show this again." or "Yes, I understand this concept now." which then sets that bool key in gconf to not show it again (but probably can be re-enabled using Nautilus' preferences win). Sorry for elaborating so much on that bool setting but it's just the one thing I forgot in my previous post, not a big thing in itself of course.
On Tue, Mar 17, 2009 at 7:46 PM, Milosz Derezynski <internaler...@gmail.com>wrote: > On Mon, Mar 16, 2009 at 12:07 AM, Andre Klapper <ak...@gmx.net> wrote: > >> Hi Sean, >> >> Am Sonntag, den 15.03.2009, 16:08 -0400 schrieb sjohnso...@aol.com: >> > While I understand that a prompt on something like "play" is >> > unnecessary, "play" doesn't change anything related to data. For any >> > "read" feature, there is absolutely no reason for a prompt. But in >> > the case of a writing feature, especially one where a user may lose >> > their data, a prompt is ABSOLUTELY necessary. >> >> I agree, but moving something to Trash is not about losing data. >> Expunging the trash is about losing data, that's why you get a >> confirmation dialog by default for that case. >> >> > Yes but people don't know that, they start with a concept of what Trashcan > is in real life (they might assume it works like on Windows, or might not, > in which case they will resort to what I just stated). > > And putting something into the Trash (people can think abstractly enough to > realize that it doesn't neccessarily delete the File, but it *might*) in > real life is for the better part irreversible: you can pull some thing out > of the trash after throwing it in there, but usually you rather don't [want > to] do that, for obvious reasons [dirt, slime, mold, whatever], hence when > you throw something away in the kitchen, you do it with the preconception > that it's permanent. > > And that preconception is what people "take" to the Trash in Nautilus (or > any Trash on any OS, just that on others, they might already know what > happens or how it works). They assume it's permanent. I bet 1 day of my > daily salary that if you perform a usability test with unwitting users, they > will tell you "well it probably erases the file, no?" > > So I'm also quite sure that it's a shock moment for these people if it just > deletes the file and says nothing, because, like I use to think about people > using computers, they're half intelligent, and half dumb, but both at the > same time. What I mean with that is, everything pulled together: > > - The concept of a Trash in real life is permanent destruction, or at least > a place where you put something DESIGNATED for permanent destruction, but > mentally, if you think yourself about your own trashcan (and please no > theorizing now, I mean the way you normally "just" use it, and not what is > possible to be theorized about it) you just throw it away and that moment > it's "gone" for you. > > - They don't know how Trash works on Nautilus in particular, so they assume > what they know from this concept in real life (in this light, calling it > "Recycle Bin" on Windows, or at least having that logo on it [they should > just call it that if it's not called that yet, or something similar that > doesn't designate terminal destruction, or at least does not verge on it and > makes it more clear that it is not neccessarily permanent]), and thus assume > "permanently gone" > > (Just BTW, if you think I'm theorizing now myself, I am in fact not, I am > just gathering the way people intuitively think about these things, e.g. the > way they think about the trash the moment they throw something away. So > please, again, don't try to find just a reason to counter me, but try to > understand.) > > - So, they assume Trash == permanent deletion, and they know that > "usually", "the computer" asks before "doing something problematic". This > time, even though they perceive the "trashing" of a file/files as something > invasive and "problematic", the computer doesn't ask. > > This is just an analysis. Summa summarum one could just say, people > probably generally assume a Trash is permanent (which everyone of us will > easily see and agree too if we put down the nerd "let's make it all > theoretical or discuss all possibilities" glasses ), and not asking for > confirmation on a permanent, destructive action is probably a bad idea. > > I agree though that it could get annoying. > > Hence I have a different proposal, but it is probably so "way out of line" > for GNOME HIG or GNOME-whatever (sorry if this sounds derogative, but I am > in fact a little annoyed by the complete ridgitiy of the HIG and the UI > concepts in general not changing or having been enhanced over time). Still > it goes like this: > > Boolean GConf key in nautilus prefs or wherever this is appropriate > "trash-introduction". > > When a user moves something into the Trash for the first time, a > notification bubble above the trashcan on the desktop, at a trash icon in > the systray, inside nautilus, or "just" a notification bubble, or wherever, > says "$N Files have been moved to the Trash. Click on 'Trash' to open and > restore the files." where 'Trash' should be clickable so you can just open > it again, and the bubble shouldn't disappear within just 2 or 3 seconds but > probably more like after 8 or so. > > The point in making Trash clickable is that people who just worried where > the files went can just open the Trashcan and make sure they are all still > there. Then there is the paradox that why people should wonder where their > files are when they meant to delete them (since going by my explanation, > they assume it's permanent). > > Some will, some will not. For those that do wonder, this will be a > mechanism of learning about how the Trash works, and for those who don't, it > will be simply a confirmation of how many files they've deleted (a minute > headache I've come across not seldomly in my time of using computers, > marking up some files I picked out for deletion, and then hitting the Trash > or something menu item, wondering whether I just deleted 5 or 6 of them). > > Ok so much for this long post! Hope someone bothered to even read it all! > > Cheers! > Milosz > > -- > Please note that according to the German law on data retention, > information on every electronic information exchange with me is > retained for a period of six months. > [Bitte beachten Sie, dass dem Gesetz zur Vorratsdatenspeicherung zufolge > jeder elektronische Kontakt mit mir sechs Monate lang gespeichert wird.] > -- Please note that according to the German law on data retention, information on every electronic information exchange with me is retained for a period of six months. [Bitte beachten Sie, dass dem Gesetz zur Vorratsdatenspeicherung zufolge jeder elektronische Kontakt mit mir sechs Monate lang gespeichert wird.]
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