The easiest editor for linux, comparable to msdos edit would be mcedit. part of the "mc" midnight commander package..
If you knew Xtree gold or Norton commander in dos.. mc will make immediate sense to you. I have talked though some complex edits over the phone to newbies using mc to do it... give it a go.. It makes a good file system tool.. even does FTP and stuff if you want. rgds Frank -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Stephen Kuhn Sent: Monday, 23 December 2002 5:43 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [newbie] Mice Issues and comments (rant?) On Mon, 2002-12-23 at 08:25, Michael Paul wrote: > As a newbie trying linux for the first time, I find it very very > frustrating. Nothing is intuitive, and even basic text editors like vi or > emacs are difficult to use. I found myself wishing for good old MS-DOS edit. > There are more editors than you can shake a stick at - Mandrake only puts a few at your fingertips - vi and vim are horribly compmlex for simple jobs...pico - and other editors like them, are quite a bit easier to deal with - and yes, there are text editors like MS-DOS Edit - where do you think that the idea for MS-DOS edit came from? Unix. > As an experienced Windows user with 12 years under my belt, I think I can > safely say that linux will never gain full acceptance with the majoity of > computer users in it's current state. Nothing is intuitive. Even adding a > new device is a royal pain. First, you have to know which file to edit, > where to find it and then try to figure out the cryptic messages within > while consulting huge manuals. The general public will never go for it. > Windows plug and play works wonderfully. There are no text files to edit. > Things just work. Plug in a scanner, windows detects, feed it the cdrom, and > in about 5 minutes you are using it. Try that with linux. > Actually, being not just a Windows user for 12+ years, an OS/2 user for 14+ years, an Apple user for more than 16+ years, yes, there are some things that Windows does easily - although STILL NOT as easily on a Macintosh running OS 9...but the fact of the matter remains that Microsoft has kept the public relatively stupid about not just their computers, but their operating systems - Windows users, after the past five years, are just the same as Mac users - they know only what's in front of them. OS technologies and application technologies have suffered from this "end-user mentality" - so much so that hardware and peripheral manufacturers have become quite lazy in their product designs and support - but that's another story. You can't judge all linux distros by this one. Sure, it's got "gloss" and more of a "click here" aim, but overall, this is not the "end all" to linux distros...nor *nix distros. A Sun Sparc running Solaris would boggle your mind as to it's functionality - but that's $20kUSD just to step into. Overall, if you're talking about true plug'n'play, nothing can compare to the Macintosh's. Windows TRIES, but falls very short - too much "plug and pray", too many issues with corruptions to the registry, too many security issues and code-bloat. Mac, on the other hand, just works. That's it. Very little to support, very little to go wrong. Ha! Got ya there! (grin) > I guess I should have kept my mouth shut, but I'm pretty frustrated. Sorry > to subject you all, but I needed a release. :) I know that people will pipe > up about how I should get started coding this or that, but I'm not a coder. > I'm a user and sometime systems admin at work. And that's it. I realize that > the industry could help by releasing driver source code, etc. But, if I was > a hardware developer, I wouldn't want the software I invested in to be > readily available to competitors who would copy the innovation I paid for in > salaries for developers. So, we have the chicken and the egg syndrome. > People won't use it unless it's at least as easy as Windows, and it seems it > can't be made that easy without the cooperation of hardware developers > writing linux drivers for their products alongside Windows drivers. > > Anyways.. Sorry to rant. :) I do appreciate the help on this list, please > don't think that I don't. > > Michael > Don't worry about it man - really - just think of it as a constant learning experience - and having even a little linux experience goes quite a long way - and in the next year, that experience will definately grow and become a good thing to have under your belt. -- Mon Dec 23 08:30:01 EST 2002 8:30am up 10:44, 5 users, load average: 1.03, 0.38, 0.23 .o0 linux user:267497 0o. -------------------------------- | __ __ | kühn media australia | / \ /| |'-. | http://kma.0catch.com | .\__/ || | | | | _ / `._ \|_|_.-' | stephen kühn | | / \__.`=._) (_ | email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | |/ ._/ |"""""""""| | email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | |'. `\ | | | icq: 5483808 | ;"""/ / | | | | smk ) /_/| |.-------.| | mobile: 0410-728-389 | ' `-`' " " | Berkeley, New South Wales, AU -------------------------------- Coralament*Best Grötens*Liebe Grüße*Best Regards*Elkorajn Salutojn belief, n: Something you do not believe.
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