i think its time for me to inflict this article on this list: http//:openflows.org/~auskadi/foreigner.html i wait to be hung drawn and quartered!
On Friday 17 December 2004 07:47, Erylon Hines wrote: > On Thursday 16 December 2004 12:13 pm, Russ Kepler wrote: > | On Thursday 16 December 2004 12:03 pm, Amy wrote: > | > Granted a lot of court cases turn into a three ring circus here in the > | > states, but the McDonalds coffee case isn't nearly so much of one as > | > the media has made it out to be. > | > | Yeah, it was. It also happened to be at a McDonalds about 1 city block > | away so I'm quite aware of the facts in the case. > | > | > The reason the lady won the case? It wasn't just normally hot coffee, > | > she got ~third degree burns~ from the frellin' stuff. McDonalds used > | > to serve their coffee extremely hot, so much so that it was way above > | > whatever temperature they were legally allowed to. No one ever said > | > anything about it before then, because most people don't touch their > | > coffee right away, so they'd let it cool down a little bit, and get to > | > it later, and it'd be just about perfect. > | > | Sorry, but I have to call you on this one. Coffee makers make coffee by > | boiling water and putting the boiling water through the coffee grounds. > | The boiling point of water is pretty much fixed by the altitude (around > | here it boils at 202 degF) so the temperature of the coffee is going to > | be the same no matter what percolater it comes out of. > > This is actually not the way it is. Measure the temperature of your coffee > makers coffee sometime--mine is 160-165 degrees. That is set by a > thermostat inside the maker--and yes, I used to be a repairman for > commercial cooking equipment, including coffee makers--the type that > restaraunts use. The therm is not normally set at 180 degrees, much less > at boiling. > > The way I remember the case (from a Slashdot discussion, I think), is that > local McDonald's managers had complained to upper management, in writing, > that the coffee was being brewed so hot that it was softening the take-out > cups. Upper management decreed (in writing, to their later sorrow) that > the machines would continue to be set at 180 degrees because more cups > could be brewed from a pound of ground with the hotter water. This > correspondence was submitted as evidence. > > | I think that McDonalds was being 'burned' by the bad publicity and didn't > | much defend the case, nor went with an appeal. The original judgement > | was reduced considerably in any event, but the final terms are private so > | we'll likely never know what they were. > > No, they got burned with their own correspondence. The amount of the > punitive damages award was a calculation of how much money they made from > brewing the coffee at a higher temperature. -- :::::::::::::::::::::::::::: "the riddle which man must solve, he can only solve in being, in being what he is and not something else...." ::::::::::::::::::::::::::::
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