Exactly. I've been on far too many lists and read far too many
newsgroups that profess to want to help newbies and instead harass and
make fun of them. Also, I've seen lists where they response from the
so-called gurus is to "just go here and read it" instead of any real
advice. The main fact of the matter is that Stephen F. Bosch doesn't have
to answer any posts at all..it's not his job nor an obligation and it's a
major committment to sit and wade through all the messages and when he
sees something he can contribute to, write in. I know, I may be a newbie
at Linux, but I have been on the other end with other computer-related
topics and believe you me I bet there are plenty of folks who thank
Stephen for his candor and information.
my 4 cents
Valjean
On Mon, 17 Apr 2000, Stephen F. Bosch wrote:
>
> I enjoy helping people out, and I've benefitted many times in the past
> from the assistance of others. I get concerned when I see people giving
> advice on things they don't fully understand.
>
> I'm always clear about what I do and do not understand. If I don't
> understand something, I either don't post a reply, or I qualify my
> reply. The last thing I want to do is get people into trouble.
>
> The last two days of posts on home networking, however, have scared the
> bejesus out of me, because I saw people building precarious houses of
> cards on bad information disguised as good.
>
> All I'm trying to do is break the cycle. I know I get on Mr. Jaguar's
> nerves, there's not much I can do about that.
>
> For what it's worth, I'm on both lists... and while I don't proclaim
> expert status myself (in the end it's all relative anyway, there's
> always someone who's more expert) wouldn't you agree that it's important
> for people with more experience to also contribute a bit to the newbie
> list? Where are newbies going to get the information otherwise?
>
> -Stephen-
>
> Dreja Julag wrote:
> >
> > I am sure that this is true, but still, he should atleast offer his help in
> > a manner that does not make the newbies offended. That is what this list is
> > about -- newbies communicating and exchanging their information for the
> > benefit of the entire group. So, Steve, I ask that you will atleast become
> > a little more understanding. Thanks
> >
> > Drew Jackman
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > ICQ 20177604
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Valjean" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Sent: Sunday, April 16, 2000 8:51 PM
> > Subject: Re: [Re: [newbie] Install-Networking]
> >
> > > Now wait, Stephen has been immensely helpful. Simply by reading his
> > > posts, I have learned a lot, and for the most part been able to setup my
> > > network. He's not the first and last word on networking but he seems to
> > > know what he's talking about so let him speak.
> > > Valjean
> > > thanks Stephen
> > >
> > > On 16 Apr 2000, Jaguar wrote:
> > >
> > > > As a side point to this thread...
> > > > Who the hell made you, Stephen, _THE_ first and last word on Networks.
> > Yes I
> > > > agree "typo's" confuse newbie's, but I think they are adult enough to
> > choose
> > > > which IP subnet they want to use. And isn't this a forum for newbie
> > > > questions/problems/mistakes????
> > > > If you are SOOOOOO knowledgable please excuse yourself from our
> > newbieness,
> > > > and hop on over to the expert list.
> > > > My $0.02 worth.
> > > > Jaguar
> > > >
> > > > "Stephen F. Bosch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > > > Mark Chaikelson wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > If I'm interpreting what you said correctly ...
> > > > > >
> > > > > > First set up the linux gateway to receive its Internet connection
> > (from
> > > > campus) on
> > > > > > eth0. Once you've tested that and ensured that your Internet
> > connection
> > > > is working
> > > > > > on the Linux gateway, then set up eth1 to be some virtual ip
> > address. For
> > > > example,
> > > > > > in my network, I have eth0 set up as the IP address given to me from
> > a
> > > > cable modem
> > > > > > connection, and then eth1 is set to 192.168.0.1
> > > > >
> > > > > This is good so far...
> > > > >
> > > > > > The other computers in my network, which get their Internet
> > connection
> > > > through the
> > > > > > linux gateway are 192.16.8.0.2 - 102.168.0.5.
> > > > >
> > > > > Whoa whoa whoa WHOA!
> > > > >
> > > > > Is there something in the water?
> > > > >
> > > > > The first address has *5* (count 'em) octets -- that's a completely
> > > > > illegal address -- and the second one has got to be a typo -- these
> > two
> > > > > addresses are on different networks.
> > > > >
> > > > > People, *please* - if you're going to start fiddling with gateways and
> > > > > masquerading, get a decent book on the fundamentals of TCP/IP first!
> > You
> > > > > can't administer a gateway server unless you do -- you're just asking
> > > > > for trouble.
> > > > >
> > > > > Let's go over it again, just to be sure.
> > > > >
> > > > > The three private networks are, in order of size:
> > > > >
> > > > > 10.0.0.0 (class A)
> > > > > 172.16.0.0 (class B)
> > > > > 192.168.0.0 (class C (there are actually a set of them))
> > > > >
> > > > > And yes, before everybody hollers "it was just a typo!" - typos ARE
> > bad
> > > > > because they completely confuse newbies and just create a lot of
> > misery
> > > > > for everybody.
> > > > >
> > > > > I don't like people using anything but Class C addresses for home
> > > > > networks. You do NOT need a Class A (16 MILLION addresses) network to
> > > > > run 3 machines on your home LAN! If you do use one you make it much
> > > > > easier to screw something up and make the whole thing not work.... and
> > > > > with some people using Class Bs and some using Cs, you get people
> > > > > writing this:
> > > > >
> > > > > "Machine A has an IP of 172.168.2.10 and my gateway is 192.168.0.1 --
> > it
> > > > > doesn't work! Please help!"
> > > > >
> > > > > If you don't know what a network class is or what it means, or what
> > the
> > > > > difference between a network and a node address is, *get a book on
> > > > > TCP/IP*.
> > > > >
> > > > > -Stephen-
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > The Dogma chased the Stigma, and was hit by the Karma.
> > > >
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