On Tue, 11 Sep 2001 09:13:13 -0400, "Charles A. Punch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Dave Sherman wrote: > > >On Tue, 2001-09-11 at 10:56, David E. Fox wrote: > > > >>US needs to do something about this though - nuke Mecca > >> > > > >Careful, David. We may have peaceful Muslims on this list, who would > >deplore today's events as much as anyone else. > > > >Dave > > > Not to mention that negativity breeds negativity. We should be careful > when fighting monsters, not to become one in the process, Simply nuking > someone will not solve the entire problem, even if that is a reasonable > part of the solution. Even then, it should not be taken lightly. There > is more than one base of evil in the world and some of them are very > well disquised. I think the people who are offering prayers are in the > proper attitude to receive the wisdom to deal with this situastion. > > ShalomOut > Chal To a large proportion of the world's population, the United States of America _IS_ a monster. While I most certainly don't condone the attacks, I was not surprised by them either. Americans seem to have been brainwashed into believing that they are the world's saviour. This is simply a lie. During the Cold War, the United States gave financial, military and technical support to all sorts of corrupt and brutal regimes all around the globe. The US government didn't care who they supported, as long as they sided with them and not with the USSR or China. For example, the democratically-elected socialist (NOT communist, FYI) government of Chile was brutally overthrown by the Chilean military, led by Augusto Pinochet, who was backed by the CIA. Pinochet then embarked on a reign of terror that lasted for almost 20 years. The US did nothing to stop him, and have not supported Spain's efforts to punish him for Crimes Against Humanity, even though they started the whole mess in the first place. What about in the Philippines, where Ferdinand Marcos was hailed by Vice President George Bush (Snr) as a "friend of democracy" after he had murdered and cheated his way to power? People like to criticise the governments of Cuba and Vietnam, but are they any worse than the US-sponsored brutal dictatorships (which the US referred to as "democracies") that had existed in Cuba and South Vietnam previously? Suharto in Indonesia and Noriega in Panama were only able to rule with the support of the United States. The list goes on and on. My apologies if I have offended anyone. I do not wish to villify the Americans on the list, but merely to suggest that they look at their own nation's dark history before they criticise others. As an Australian, I am truly ashamed of some of the things which my government has done in the past. However, these pale in comparison to the many tens or even hundreds of millions of people who have suffered at the hands of United States foreign policy, all for the sake of "democracy". How ironic. -- Sridhar Dhanapalan. "There are two major products that come from Berkeley: LSD and UNIX. We don't believe this to be a coincidence." -- Jeremy S. Anderson
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