On Wed, 19 Dec 2001 17:07:40 -0600 "Julian Opificius" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Well let's not get too flamin' high and mighty and make judgements about > each others' intelligence, shall we? "I" wasn't. I was gettin' all high and mighty about people not RTFM, and then making judgements that Mandrake is junk, when it's clearly their error. > > An installer that destroys partitions without adequate warning, ESPECIALLY > in "easy" mode, shows indefensibly bad programming from people who assume > to know better. Learning is a process punctuated by mistakes as well as > successes. > "Easy" mode is just that. Easy. yes, it will destroy the contents of your hard drive. If you would have RTFM, or at the very least watched the messages on the screen, you'd have known that. Again, don't blame the product for your inability to follow directions. > I shouldn't have to learn "spells and incantations" to be assured a safe > passage through the unfriendly waters of new OS install, especially one > that is trying to compete against the arrogance and poor quality we are > accustomed to getting from Redmond. But you should at least be required to learn how to install it the way you want to. Don't ya think? There are options to the install. There are reasons for the options. > > If you don't have any patience for us NEWBIES, then don't waste your > precious time writing arrogant and spiteful retorts to those of us on this > NEWBIE list who have, if not more knowledge and experience, then certainly > a lot more humility and civility than you appear to have. As demonstrated by recent outbreak of humility. :) I actually do have a great deal of patience. I spend a lot of time helping folks, who demonstrate a desire to help themselves, and are trying to learn. Yes, Linux is an advanced operating system. It does require spending some time learning it. No experienced Linux user, or admin would say differently. To get the most out of Linux, and this list, spend some time educating yourself before proclaiming Mandrake to be junk because it won't install right, when the install error was yours. > This is my last comment on this particular thread. I offer my appologies to the list for this one. It is very much unlike me to start a flame war. Sometimes it just burns me to see someone trash an excellent distribution, when the error is theirs. Again, my appologies to the list for this massive waste of bandwidth. Ric > Julian Opificius. > ================================ > At 02:39 PM 12/19/01 -0800, you wrote: > >Sounds to me like you just need to learn to run the installer. > >I'm sitting on a system right now that is multi-boot, with Win98, win2k, > >Linux, and Solaris, managed by System Comander. No problem. The Mandrake > >installer dropped the boot image on the first partition of the Mandrake > >installation just like I told it to do (in my case that's hdb1). > > > >If you take the lame road, and auto-install, then you take what you get. > >One might look at the "expert" install. It offers many more options. > >However, as the name would imply, it assumes that you know what you're doing. > > > >RTFM. It's full of magical spells & incantations. With them, you can do > >most anything you want with Linux. > > > >If you don't want to take the time to learn, and do it right, . . Well, > >my sympathy level drops quickly. > > > >Ric > > > > > >David McGlone wrote: > > > >>well same thing happened to me, I lost all my backed up data that was on > >>3 seperate ext2 partitions and 3 seperate partitions that I had windows > >>installs on (mostly games) and I never told mandrakes partition tool to > >>even touch them partitions. when I booted after my first install which I > >>installed over a SuSE install I got a kernel panic, I wondered why such a > >>thing happened, so I put the mandrake disk back in and when I got to the > >>partitioning tool, it showed no partitions at all, they were all gone, it > >>wiped out virtually everything except hda1. > >>Well I proceeded to partition and finally install mandrake, I started to > >>use it and it seemed to be a nice OS until the time came that I wanted to > >>remove some rpm's and install different ones, and all I got was > >>dependency problems left and right. I tried and tried every way I know, > >>but it seems that when I wanted to remove 1 RPM from Mandrake, it wanted > >>to remove the whole Operating System. > >>At this point, I totally gave up, stuck my SuSE install Disk in and went > >>back to SuSE. > >>The way I see all this is, with Mandrake, you don't have much freedom. If > >>I cannot remove an rpm and install the .tar file instead, then I think > >>Mandrake is heading to Redmond. > >>just my $.02 > >>David M. > >>AIM: dmclgone27 > >>ICQ: 96210352 > >>On Monday 17 December 2001 09:16 am, you wrote: > >> > >>>Just to offer a contrasting and virtually worthless opinion here ... > >>>I'm not sure about the "slicker install" or "souped up". I lost Windows > >>>installs on two of my machines (Win98 and Win2000) because Mandrake 8.1's > >>>installer trashed my partition tables without giving me a way out, so I > >>>went back to Red Hat 7.2 and had a much better install experience. > >>>I use System Commander 7 as a boot manager, but Mandrake's installer > >>>wouldn't support writing the boot code on the Linux boot partition for > >>>another boot manager to "pick up", it absolutely insisted on writing it's > >>>boot block to the MBR, which is not polite, and more to the point, is not > >>>compatible with System Commander. > >>> > >>>I'll try Mandrake again this week, because many people have a very high > >>>opinion (I'm still subscribed to this list, obviously). > >>> > >>>If someone does know how to instruct Mandrake's installer to put it's boot > >>>block on /boot (folks seem to call this a "superblock", apparently), please > >>>tell me - I'd really like to give Mandrake a run - but please don't tell me > >>>to trash System Commander: I've paid for it, I like it, and it's friendly > >>>to my family users, who don't want to have to learn anything else :-) > >>> > >> > >>------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >>Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to > >>http://www.mandrakestore.com > > > > > > > >-- > >Ric Tibbetts > > > >Linux registration number: 55684 > >If you want to help advertise Linux - point your friends to > >http://counter.li.org/ > > > > > > > > > >Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? > >Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com > > ============================== > Julian A. Opificius. > 802 Fawn Road, Elk River, MN 55330. > Home: 763.441.1291, Cell: 763.360.5919 > [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 3268206 > ============================== > > > > -- Ric Tibbetts Linux registration number: 55684 If you want to help advertise Linux - point your friends to http://counter.li.org/
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