John: Enough, already! This list is NOT intended for philosophical discussions of Life, the Universe and Things Like That; it is a _technical_ support list for Mandrake newbies. (Source: Mandrake home page -- pretty damn authoritative, IMHO). If you wish to examine your navel, or someone else's navel, or engage in other meaningless activities can find plenty of other places on the web to do so. This is not the place. (You might try slashdot [snicker, snicker]). Yes, we do sometimes wander from time to time, and I'll admit to more than my share of transgressions. But, John, these great long diatrabes of yours are totally out of place.
We aren't stupid, and we aren't wandering around in the wilderness looking for a saviour. So stop wasting our bandwidth. (Just in case you didn't know, many of the people on this list are on metered service -- every damn byte that comes down the pipe hits them in the wallet in addition to wasting their time.) Like you, I've got some miles on the odometer. I'm a retired mechanical engineer; I worked for both very large and very small companies. I spent some of those years in management. As a consequence, I've had to sit through way too many really stupid presentations, and I've been forced to engage in way too many stupid programs. Two side effects of all of that wasted time are that (1) I regard Dilbert as not satire, but reality and (2) I begin to shake and tremble whenever I hear words like "paradigm". John, you may not have used those exact words, but your postings are sufficiently close to bring back those awful memories. Cease and desist! OK, I'll admit that you may have accomplished one useful purpose: I've resolved to learn how to set up e-mail filters. But then, I've never felt the need for them until now. Nasty flame to follow. -- cmg On Sunday 24 March 2002 04:28 pm, john rigby wrote: > Hi Damian, > A reasonable comment: > BUT if the people do not speak up - out of fear of reprisal - how is change > ever going to happen? > The Newbie list *IS* the only place to have reasonable discourse on the > product. > It is NOT supposed to be a Geekfest. > > Maybe a good solution would be to have an internal code on Replies: > GEEK > USER > COMMUNITY ( for community discussion) > > Then fanatics could avoid any challenge to their tiny world, Geeks could > talk unintelligbly away from the rest of us real Newbies :-) , Users could > get simple help on getting it to go usably and those good souls who like to > help, as distinct from those here to display their > arrogance/cleverness/oneupmanship, could dip into the anguish of the User > area and help real beginners who have never cooked anything except lunch. > > It could work you know, with a bit of support. > > The Geeks have no idea how off-putting and terrifying the complex matters > typical on this list are! Users cannot even understand the questions, much > less the answers and for many it is the very first exposure outside the > MS/Apple GUI world. > > Cheers, > John > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Damian <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2002 4:59 AM > Subject: Re: [newbie] Support? > > El sáb, 23-03-2002 a las 10:02, john rigby escribió: > > Hello Sal, > > > > WOOPS!! > > NOW you'll get it! > > Rule #1 on this list has become : > > THOUGH SHALT NOT SPAKE A SINGLE WORLD OF CRITICISM AGAINST THE ONE TRUE > > THING > > --note: what i'm going to say here may apply to you or not, i'm > just going to say what i think about some very recent 'angry' posts > made by several ppl. > > > well.. this is a newbie list, it's supposed to be a place where > you ask questions, get answers, read questions, and give answers. > > criticism is out of order here, if you don't like something about > Limux-Mandrake, we do not need to hear it, and it's probably not really > up to us to change it. if you want to tell someone how bad you feel > about this distro, it's not the users you have to bitch at. > you could send a letter to mandrakesoft or whatever. you > won't get flamed by them.
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