At least you're being logical Rog. I think you have a 50/50 choice logically. Either there is one God and one only or there is no God. My problem with your summary here of there being
3 religions following one God is that I think you actually have 3 religions following 3 gods. I'm about to get even more esoteric. There are three monotheistic world religions. Well I actually disagree with that. There are two monotheistic religions - Islam and Judaism. Christianity is on its own as a Trinitarian religion. That is one God who has revealed himself as three distinct persons. Can it get more confusing than that? BUT you ask, " Why didn't this god thing yell it's message in everybody's ear and then send them a confirmation telegram?' That's exactly what I believe he did do/has done. But of course that then rocks the other boats. We human beings are unbelievable complex - capable of unimaginable brilliance and glory and at exactly the same time capable of unspeakable evil and horror. I cite any war that you care to name. The Christian worldview puts forward that God has made everyone and everything but that human beings don't want a God - I'd rather fill that role myself thank you very much - and so we have to attack him. A direct attack on God is a very low percentage play and so we attack his image instead (each other). That helps me to understand 6 million murdered directly and 50 million in total. It's not God's fault - it's mine because I'm part of the problem. _____ From: nswolves@googlegroups.com [mailto:nswolves@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Rog & Reet Sent: Wednesday, 4 May 2011 9:20 AM To: nswolves@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: [NSWolves] Team for Albion Why are these god things so shitehouse at getting their message over? We've got three major religions all following the same god. They're split into god knows how many sub-sects, each following a different interpretation of their holy books. Now Hitler was sent as a messenger, was this via a virgin birth as well? Why didn't this god thing yell it's message in everybody's ear and then send them a confirmation telegram? Instead we have 6 million murdered directly and over 50 million killed in total. From: nswolves@googlegroups.com [mailto:nswolves@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of mark worrall Sent: Tuesday, 3 May 2011 1:42 PM To: nswolves@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [NSWolves] Team for Albion Tend to agree Jeremy that 'God must have an important purpose involving suffering', especially if you take it in a greater context, i.e we don't just have one life. From a lot of the texts I've read, it's all about choosing Love over Fear. Whether it be the person causing the suffering, or those on the receiving end, in that particular life. I once read an interesting discussion on why Hitler was a messenger, in that he was sent here to show how evil people can be, choosing to cause suffering to others (in the masses) while bound by their own Fears, and inspiring/challenging the rest of us to choose to reject it. Have you read 'Conversations with God' trilogy ? The only book(s) I've read that really try to answer all the questions the rest avoid (btw: in it God describes religions as 'fear based theologies used by a minority to control the masses'). On Tue, May 3, 2011 at 1:00 PM, Jeremy Tonks <to...@hotkey.net.au> wrote: I may get to a longer response. but probably not. The standard argument goes something like: If God is all powerful and all loving how come there is suffering in the world? The basic premise is flawed from my point of view. I'd respond something like: If God is all powerful and all loving and there is suffering in the world then God must have an important purpose involving suffering. As in all theological discussions Jesus needs be kept at the centre - and there he is as soon you raise the issue of suffering. God's purposes in creation are centred on Jesus. Jesus' own suffering, death and resurrection are the guarantee that, when he returns, death will have no power and suffering will be ended. Forever. There's my briefest theodicy. I can trust God now and into the future because of what Jesus has done in the past. I'll just duck down while you all start shooting. _____ From: nswolves@googlegroups.com [mailto:nswolves@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Steven Millward Sent: Tuesday, 3 May 2011 10:17 AM To: nswolves@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [NSWolves] Team for Albion You'd better give us a run down on your views on theodicy then Jeremy. I don't think most of us get it. On 3 May 2011 09:53, Jeremy Tonks <to...@hotkey.net.au> wrote: Your lack of experience in these matters is getting the best of you Rog. You should experiment more. I am convinced that it is very effective (in important matters!). _____ From: nswolves@googlegroups.com [mailto:nswolves@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Rog & Reet Sent: Tuesday, 3 May 2011 7:27 AM To: nswolves@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: [NSWolves] Team for Albion If you blokes had spoken to wiser heads on this list you'd have known that praying is just like Mick. A total waste of time as it's guaranteed to achieve **** all. From: nswolves@googlegroups.com [mailto:nswolves@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Jeremy Tonks Sent: Monday, 2 May 2011 8:12 PM To: nswolves@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: [NSWolves] Team for Albion I've been going to mass and my prayers aren't being answered - I think I'll go back to being Anglican! Too cup focussed - and the ^*&%*() opposition is too good (but I did beat Chelseadrid yesterday - :-) :-) JT _____ From: nswolves@googlegroups.com [mailto:nswolves@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Steven Millward Sent: Monday, 2 May 2011 7:09 PM To: nswolves@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [NSWolves] Team for Albion You can't let the Wombat's drop down to V. It's only bots and newbies in there. What's gone wrong? On 2 May 2011 17:32, Jeremy Tonks <to...@hotkey.net.au> wrote: Don't look at me Paul - I suggest you cut out the middleman and talk directly yourself!! Marcus is right - the only positive was a point that I hadn't banked but (but had publicly hoped for). It was an away game - this Sunday is huge. But it'll probably still come down to a win against Blackburn so that we scramble over Wigan and Blackpool to survival. A bit disappointed - all my ducks were lining up. Walsall won and only need a draw to survive. Shrewsbury won and a final win would see them promoted. Bundanoon Wombats had a shock win and will still be relegated. Wolves.? Glad I don't get to watch the tripe they've dealt out in recent weeks. _____ From: nswolves@googlegroups.com [mailto:nswolves@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Paul Crowe Sent: Monday, 2 May 2011 2:45 PM To: nswolves@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: [NSWolves] Team for Albion On reflection we were worse than clueless, it was a totally inept and impotent performance! I admire some of your continued optimism but my rose coloured glasses now lie smashed on the floor. Time to wake up to the reality that we are going down, only a miracle can save us! Over to you Jeremy! Paul Crowe Sales Manager - Asia Pacific ConTech (Sydney Office) PO Box 3517 Rhodes Waterside Rhodes NSW 2138 Tel: 02 97396636 Fax: 02 97396542 Mob: 0406009562 Email: pcr...@contechengineering.com Website: www.contechengineering.com <http://www.contechengineering.com/> From: nswolves@googlegroups.com [mailto:nswolves@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Paul Taylor Sent: Monday, 2 May 2011 2:09 PM To: Wolves Subject: RE: [NSWolves] Team for Albion Has he ever taken off Henry? I don't think I've ever seen him subbed. Would like to have seen Henry subbed by Guedioura on 65 mins last night. _____ Date: Mon, 2 May 2011 13:25:57 +1000 Subject: [NSWolves] Team for Albion From: millward....@gmail.com To: nswolves@googlegroups.com My choice: --------------------Henessey------------------------- Foley----Stearman----Craddock----George Hunt---Guedioura---O'Hara---Milijas---Jarvis ---------------------Fletcher---------------------------- Chance of it being picked: 0% -- Q: If you could change one thing about Wolves history, what would it be? A That Peter Knowles was on the bog when the door was knocked. -- Q: If you could change one thing about Wolves history, what would it be? A That Peter Knowles was on the bog when the door was knocked. -- Q: If you could change one thing about Wolves history, what would it be? A That Peter Knowles was on the bog when the door was knocked. -- Q: If you could change one thing about Wolves history, what would it be? A That Peter Knowles was on the bog when the door was knocked. -- Q: If you could change one thing about Wolves history, what would it be? A That Peter Knowles was on the bog when the door was knocked. -- Q: If you could change one thing about Wolves history, what would it be? A That Peter Knowles was on the bog when the door was knocked. -- Q: If you could change one thing about Wolves history, what would it be? A That Peter Knowles was on the bog when the door was knocked. -- Q: If you could change one thing about Wolves history, what would it be? A That Peter Knowles was on the bog when the door was knocked. -- Q: If you could change one thing about Wolves history, what would it be? A That Peter Knowles was on the bog when the door was knocked. -- Q: If you could change one thing about Wolves history, what would it be? A That Peter Knowles was on the bog when the door was knocked. -- Q: If you could change one thing about Wolves history, what would it be? A That Peter Knowles was on the bog when the door was knocked. -- Q: If you could change one thing about Wolves history, what would it be? A That Peter Knowles was on the bog when the door was knocked. -- Q: If you could change one thing about Wolves history, what would it be? A That Peter Knowles was on the bog when the door was knocked.
