Joseph Kowalski wrote: > Bart Smaalders wrote: >> Joseph Kowalski wrote: >> >> Now you feel that PSARC should be involved before a preview are done, so >> that expectations are not raised/dashed w/o appropriate review? > In a perfect world, YES. Its not a requirement, just part of the > history of successful > projects. Come early, come often. > > Note, I never said that PSARC should "deny" a prototype. Its all about > communication.
So, several of us get together and propose what should be done for better usability: root as role, /root as root's home dir for systems not using roles, bash as default interactive shell, ksh93 as /usr/bin/sh, etc. Do you seriously propose that we review each one of these with PSARC ahead of time? When we have no idea which ones we'll keep? Before we discuss them on opensolaris mailing lists? Look how much senseless pissing and moaning is going on over pollution of the precious name space of /usr/bin. PSARC is NOT a member of every project team. It's a architectural review committee, and serves a very useful function. We happen to have a very public project, and we're doing our development out in the open. This doesn't mean that every design decision should be subject to PSARC's a-priori review. > > Do you feel that Indiana has a good job of communication with the > remainder of > Sun and the OpenSolaris communities? Engineers communicate through working code. We're working on what is effectively our third preview release; we're communicating reasonably effectively, I think. We're trying to build a coherent distribution that caters to a wide variety of users, and that lets us explore features needed in IPS, the installer, etc. If you wish to turn this into a discussion about naming and other marketing faux pas, I'm not going there as I'm trying to get some code putback, excuse me, pushed, today. It turns out my VP is in Engineering, not Marketing.... > Could you please point me at the outward facing descriptions from > Indiana which > set the customer expectations so that we can be comfortable that its > just a prototype? Indiana seems mostly about blogs :-). Here's stuff from opensolaris http://opensolaris.org/os/project/indiana/ http://www.opensolaris.org/jive/search.jspa?threadID=&q=prototype&objID=c112&dateRange=all&userID=&numResults=15&rankBy=10001 - Bart -- Bart Smaalders Solaris Kernel Performance barts at cyber.eng.sun.com http://blogs.sun.com/barts "You will contribute more with mercurial than with thunderbird."
