On Sun, Apr 4, 2010 at 12:38 PM, HeCSa <hsalt...@gmail.com> wrote: > We need something clear and direct appearing in the opensolaris.org homepage > pointing to the official information about the future of OpenSolaris, Oracle > and the communities, etc.
To date, with the possible exception of Dan's comments on IRC during the election [below], there has been absolutely NO official information from Oracle about the future of OpenSolaris, Oracle and the communities, etc. So, to be pedantically correct, the current home page *does* show exactly everything that has been said officially by Oracle: Nothing. Many of us wish there was a more verbose statement. -John [IRC log from http://www.spcoast.com/irclogs/opensolaris-meeting/index.php?date=2010-02-26 edited here by plocher to remove join/quit noise from the transcript] +[12:06] * DanR (~chatzi...@nat/sun/x-tbazbldvpztcwjjh) has joined #opensolaris-meeting +[12:06] <ptribble> DanR: welcome +[12:07] <DanR> ptribble: Thanks +[12:07] <bubbva> hi DanR ! any word on any official communications? I know you were hoping "soon" :) +[12:07] <DanR> So we do know a few things now, as I discussed on the OGB call a couple days ago... +[12:07] <ptribble> (How's about that for putting Dan on the spot?) +[12:08] <DanR> Yeah, thanks... :) +[12:08] <DanR> So, here's what we can say: +[12:09] * bubbva listens intently :) +[12:09] <DanR> Oracle will continue to make OpenSolaris available as open source, and Oracle will continue to actively support and participate in the community +[12:09] <DanR> Oracle is investing more in Solaris than Sun did prior to the acquisition, and will continue to contribute technologies to OpenSolaris, as Oracle already does for many other open source projects +[12:11] <DanR> Oracle is committed to supporting our customers +[12:12] <bda> DanR: Does that include x86, or will the heavy focus on SPARC override further x86 development/support? +[12:13] <DanR> And Oracle will ensure customers running OpenSolaris have an option for support on Oracle Sun Systems where it's required, though given the very little sales here this will not be something we expect many customers to deploy going forward. Solaris is our focus, on both SPARC and x86. +[12:13] <bda> DanR: The recent patch policy changes to Solaris were a major concern; given all the SPARC talk, we were worried x86 would suffer. +[12:14] <bda> Given the lack of communication there, it is driving platform change considerations for a lot of shops. +[12:14] <DanR> Oracle will also continue to deliver OpenSolaris releases, including the upcoming OpenSolaris 2010.03 release. +[12:14] <reflect> sun.com used to be a.. quite good looking page.. for the past ten years. it had information for both managers and techs.. however, it now seems to be very tough to find tech information for any of the old Sun hardware.. will this be fixed? +[12:14] <bda> So OpenSolaris really is becoming Fedora? ;-) +[12:15] <reflect> it used to be very easy to navigate, now.. not so much +[12:16] <DanR> The patch decision is aligned with how Oracle does business in other areas as well, patches are delivered for customers but not for free. So it's consistent, that doesn't define a platform future at all. x86 is the core of our Storage appliances for example, we're not going away from it at all. Though clearly we make more money on SPARC so there is more of an emphasis given the customer base. +[12:17] <bda> DanR: Completely understandable. My company (and I imagine most others) value consistancy heavily. :) +[12:17] <DanR> For the web transition, we're working hard to simply things and the same leader for example that ran BigAdmin previously now is in charge of creating the community inside of OTN which will now include a place for admins, developers and architects for Solaris and Systems +[12:17] <bda> The lack of communication beforehand means we couldn't buy support contracts before the patches were pulled, however. Hopefully that was just an oversight. +[12:18] <tsoome> well, closing up security pathes can be considered ill behaviour from vendor. +[12:18] <bda> tsoome: Agreed. But it's done. Perhaps OpenSolaris security/support policy will change as money is less of a driver there? +[12:19] <ptribble> DanR: what about open development in the future? +[12:19] <tsoome> and it will cut off people from even considering *solaris, meaning no money for oracle anyhow. +[12:20] <reflect> tsoome: what will cut it off? +[12:20] <bda> reflect: The lack of free security updates. +[12:21] <reflect> hm +[12:22] <DanR> ptribble: Oracle will continue to develop technologies in the open, as we do today. There may be some things we choose not to open source going forward, similar to how MySQL manages certain value add at the top of the stack. It's important to understand the plan now is to deliver value again out of our IP investment, while at the same time measuring that with continuing to deliver... +[12:22] <tsoome> well you can argue its open source and fix yourself or buy support, but not many people are able to fix things, nor buy support. +[12:22] <DanR> ...OpenSolaris in the open. This will be a balancing act, one that we'll get right some times but may not always. +[12:22] <reflect> yes, it would. is there any indication whatsoever the previous 20-30-year practice would change? +[12:23] <bda> tsoome: shrug. Follow /dev. Oracle likes making money, unlike Sun, so... I'll pay for support fees. :) +[12:24] <bda> DanR: I don't suppose you can speak to specifics about the future of Solaris at this point? +[12:24] <cypromoto> Do you have an example what will not be developed in the open ? +[12:24] <ptribble> So the core is open, but you still have extra value-add like fishworks/analytics? +[12:26] * bda has been waiting for a database toaster to be announced. ;-) +[12:27] <DanR> bda: Oracle handles roadmaps very differently than Sun did for regulartory reasons, so futures for Solaris are not something I can speak to specifically. it's a change we're still getting use to our our side to, though hopefully many of the public statements are very clear that Solaris is our now #1 Enterprise OS and we will increase investment. We won't be able to talk about specific... +[12:27] <DanR> ...features but the future is very bright. +[12:27] <DanR> crypromoto: no, as per the roadmap discussion, I can't speak to specific new features and how they'll be developed. +[12:27] <bda> DanR: Good enough. Thanks. +[12:28] <tsoome> so we can expect stuff like proper integration of oracle db and dataguard (broker) with sun cluster in both rac and fail over setup?:P +[12:28] <DanR> ptribble: Yes, core is open and we'll add stuff on top. +[12:28] <bda> Will the existing OpenSolaris community (e.g., the OGB) be maintained? +[12:28] * bda has no idea how Oracle manages its communities. +[12:29] <cypromoto> Bda i think they neither +[12:29] <reflect> so basically.. solaris will be as open as it is now, for the foreseeable future? +[12:29] <DanR> tsoome: Integration with Oracle applications is a top priority! Specifics are wait and see... :) +[12:30] <TechJournalist> DanR: for 'regular' users and contributor to Open Solaris - do you figure that anything will change in terms of how open solaris is delivered and how developers contribute? +[12:30] <reflect> DanR: and the prospective customers that simply does not care about oracle.. what about lustrefs and the like? +[12:33] <DanR> TechJournalist: Love to see the tech journal crowd participating! And yes, regular users will find things mostly unchanged. Contributors also. +[12:34] <DanR> reflect: I can't speak for lustrefs as it's not a product in my area, would connect with the folks in their community. +[12:35] <reflect> then I thank you for your time +[12:35] <ptribble> DanR: do you see any implications for the other OpenSolaris-based distros? +[12:38] <cypromoto> Good q. Ptribble +[12:39] <cypromoto> Is therre going to be a change in the relation to them ? +[12:39] <DanR> ptribble: No, as previously once we went to the distribution model with OpenSolaris I expected they would need to find their value add area or niche and I don't think this changes that at all. They can still do want they want based on CDDL. +[12:40] <cypromoto> Superb +[12:41] <ptribble> DanR: Thanks +[12:43] <ptribble> DanR: Oracle reached out to the user groups. I've been wondering whether the user groups would remain as an integral part of our community, or be pushed towards being the OpenSolaris part of the wider Oracle user group ecosystem? +[12:46] <DanR> ptribble: Probably the later, they have a good infrastructure there and a team that will work with them going forward. My team has a new set of goals based on our roles so won't be able to provide as much direct support. I certainly do expect them to continue to participate in the broader community though for sure. +[12:47] <cypromoto> Can I have that decrypted ? +[12:48] <cypromoto> That means oracle would like the osugs to integrate into oracle ug ? +[12:48] <ptribble> DanR: that was my impression as well, which would change the structure of the community a bit and could be a bone of contention +[12:49] * cypromoto reserves some sdcards to film that culture clash +[12:50] <ptribble> cypromoto: there's also what Oracle might want and what the Oracle User Groups (which are independent bodies, some are even companies) might want.. +[12:50] <cypromoto> Yep +[12:50] <cypromoto> I guess it will be trouble down to. The dressing code +[12:52] <ClayB_laptop> So far, RMOUG (Rocky Mountain Oracle User Group) has been very friendly and welcoming to us at FROSUG (Front Range OpenSolaris User Group) but some groups may be different. +[12:52] <DanR> ptribble: On this last piece there is no hard definition of how the user groups, which are separate bodies, should function back with a community like OpenSolaris. The support User Groups get from Oracle will now come from the main User Group folks, however the user groups themselves should work out what makes sense with the community here. +[12:54] <DanR> cypromoto: No, opensolaris user groups do not need to integrate into Oracle User groups, some may, some may not, up to them. Only their support from Oracle comes from 1 place. +[12:54] <cypromoto> Ah ok +[12:54] <brendang> I'll try +[12:55] <madwizard> DanR: Any thought on changes in Certification? With Oracle the path is: first certificate is just a certificate fee, but second and third is certificate fee and some onhand training required. +[12:56] <madwizard> DanR: With Sun one could take any level without taking trainings +[12:56] <madwizard> Will that change in Sun's certification requirements? +[12:57] <madwizard> Also, who in the hell makes Polish translations of Oracle page? :P +[12:57] <DanR> madwizard: Good question, not sure. If you send me email (dan . roberts @ sun . com, omit spaces) I'll connect you up with the folks to find out. +[12:58] <hecsa> Hi! I'm Hernan Saltiel +[12:58] <alanc> Oracle posted a FAQ on Sun -> Oracle Certification changes earlier this week to http://blogs.oracle.com/certification/2010/02/0200.html +[12:58] <madwizard> DanR: Ok, thanx +[12:58] <madwizard> alanc: thanx +[12:59] * alanc saw that on the @Oracle twitter feed this week +[13:00] <madwizard> Ah, I don;t follow ORacle yet +[13:01] <hecsa> Hi, DanR! May I ask a question about certification to you? +[13:01] <ptribble> DanR: any word on the possible announcement you mentioned on Tuesday? +[13:03] <DanR> ptribble: No, should see more in the next couple weeks though. +[13:04] <madwizard> http://hub.opensolaris.org/bin/view/Community+Group+ogb/2010 lacks names +[13:04] <madwizard> Alan Burlison and Tim Foster +[13:05] <DanR> All, will have to drop, feel free to let me know if you have other questions off line. And happy to be invited back... I do try to read everything on opensolaris-discuss and advocacy, but not always able to respond. Hopefully will be able to do more going forward. Cheers! Dan +[13:05] <madwizard> See you +[13:05] <ptribble> DanR: many thanks for dropping by! +[13:05] <madwizard> Glad you made it +[13:05] <hecsa> I'll do, Dan. +[13:06] * DanR (~chatzi...@nat/sun/x-tbazbldvpztcwjjh) Quit (Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86 [Firefox 3.5.8/20100202152834]) _______________________________________________ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
