(Sorry my last message got sent before I could finish it) Ok there was a lot of talk about this IDE so I decided to go poke around and look at it. I had been using Netbeans (Forte too) for a while, but always found it to have either way too many things you can do with it, and therefore you have to spend a lot of time learning the IDE, or it's just clunky and things are not where they're supposed to be. So I downloaded the IDEA IDE, and low and behold, as advertised on this list, my productivity has jumped 10 fold. It is SO easy to use, it's a bit weird at first glance, and I actually removed it the first time then decided to try again, and wow, if you take just a couple of hours, you're totally familliar with its features and capabilities... and thank go for no weird wizards... templates are good... wizards are for 2 year olds.
Here is why I liked it, and would GLADLY pay $395.00 for it. It allows you to setup multiple CVS repositories, working with Ant is amazing, when you run the ant script it allows you to expand every step and look at it and get more information about it. I am able to run the full build of my app within the IDE and I didn't have to do anything funky, or mess with classpaths it just ran. I am SO productive in this IDE I can't believe it. Further, it allows you to set ALL aspects of code style including spaces between parenthesis or brackets, line after curly bracket or not, and you can choose if you want it before an else, if else, etc... so fine tuned. This is important because sometimes developers can get sloppy. One mouse click and wham, the thing is clean and in place. besides that, you can actually write a bunch of code and then select it, and tell it to wrap it in an try/catch, or add a case and stuff like that. Same goes for getter and setter, you just select the vars you want to write get and set methods for, and in a few seconds I had more than 40 gets and sets already setup. This is a much better way to do it than any other ide. The nice thing is that there are a bunch of tabs on the side which don't intrude in your coding area unless you absolutely want to see them, and you can choose the behavior of the tabed window so it can close back up as soon as you're done, or pin it down so it's always there. What ever works for you. It also includes Refactoring, and will look through your code and allow you to optimize your imports automatically. Very nice stuff, but I didn't push that yet because I didn't have a need for it yet. I also like that it has syntax completion, but they took it to a higher level, when the syntax completion pops up and you select for example 'parseInt' it shows you the java doc for it in another popup! SO SWEET! No need to go look at the API pages or anything like that! VERY VERY COOL stuff. I am surprised that Forte won the JDJ award over this IDE... I guess because it's not free or something. This is a much much better tool. Robert S. Sfeir Senior Software Architect Sfeir Engineering [EMAIL PROTECTED] ----- Original Message ----- From: "Justin Crosbie" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Orion-Interest" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, March 27, 2002 12:52 AM Subject: RE: Java IDE? > I hate the way it doesn't support folder hierarchies. The new one even less > than 3.2.3, which allowed one folder level per project. I don't see why not, > it seems like such a trivial thing. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Joydeep Kamdar [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: 25 March 2002 16:11 > To: Orion-Interest > Subject: Re: Java IDE? > > > Any serious users of Orion will absolutely love JDeveloper. This is as > fantastic tool and is free to use till you decide to deploy your > applications > into production. Thus you can for the first time test an enterprise class > IDE > without the every 30 day reinstall > > Here's a comparison matrix of JBuilder 6 and JDeveloper 9i > http://www.oracle.com/ip/develop/ids/index.html?Jbuilder6_table.html > > Check out - > http://www.sdmagazine.com/documents/s=7032/sdm0204d/0204d.htm > > The chat about the price totall cracked me up. Noha - keep up the good work! > > > Marc Rabil wrote: > > > I have been following this discussion with much interest since I recently > > set out to re-evaluate Java IDEs - particularly for J2EE. Based on the > > recent JDJ poll located here: > > > > http://www.sys-con.com/java/readerschoice2002/liveupdate.cfm?cat=J2EE > > > > it would seem that a lot of folks like JBuilder. But this may just be a > > marketshare estimate and it looks like a lot of folks on this list like > > IDEA. > > > > We've been using JBuilder 4 Enterprise with mixed feelings and are looking > > at upgrading to JBuilder 6. Can any of the IDEA proponents out there > > summarize the major advantages of IDEA over JBuilder 6 (say professional > > edition since the upgrade is a comparable price)? > > > > Thanks in advance, > > > > Marc > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Clay Mitchell > > Sent: Friday, March 22, 2002 11:37 PM > > To: Orion-Interest > > Subject: RE: Java IDE? > > > > Hmm I'm loving idea, but it costs $ - I wonder what happens when the > > trial expires... Nag or just doesn't work? > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Gottfried > > Szing > > Sent: Friday, March 22, 2002 6:55 PM > > To: Orion-Interest > > Subject: Re: Java IDE? > > > > On Fri, 22 Mar 2002, Clay Mitchell wrote: > > > > > Just a question, any suggestions as to what a good IDE is? I've tried > > > JBuilder, IDEA (I like IDEA) and a few others... any recommendations? > > > > i like idea. since i have seen idea i was a loyal user of vim and ant. > > now i use idea in combination with ant, junits, and orion. >
