On Tue, 2007-06-12 at 21:46 -0400, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: > On Jun 9, 2007, at 5:45 AM, Enrique Erne wrote: > > >>> I am now wondering something: why haven't these awesomely functional > >>> netpd object been included as abstractions within Pd-extended?!?! > > > > on one hand i would like to see netpd included in pd-extended, but not > > on cost of the current package. it is important that netpd and all > > patches work on linux, osx and windows. > > > > if people start to write netpd patches with pd-extended and use many > > externals i'm afraid we are going to have instrument that work on > > one os and maybe not on the other. netpd would also be a great > > system to find os-specific bugs :-)
> This right here outlines the main purpose of Pd-extended: to provide > a tested and reliable package that works the same on all OSes. > Basically, I think you should pick one platform for netpd, and make > sure everything works smoothly on that one. Then worry about the rest. hm, that is what netpd basically does: pd-vanilla, zexy, maxlib, that's it. these work quite the same on all os/platforms and i think also in pd-extended for every os/platform. > Alex Quessy and I tried to run the latest version on netpd working > for a network jam last Sunday, we both failed. He got further than > me, he got some sounds out, but neither got it all working. Both of > us know quite a bit about Pd, so I am amazed that newbies get it > going (do they?). this might be rather due to bad documentation than difficulty of installing netpd. newbies often just download pd-netpd for win or osx and that works just out of the box. > It would very nice if it was just plug and play. It would not be > that hard to do it. I think you could spend a day on it and have it > working smoothly. It would be very worthwhile, but I think you have > already spent far more time trying to help people get it going than > it would take to fix things. hm....can you elaborate a bit more what you mean by 'fixing' stuff? i know there are some drawbacks while installing netpd and i would sure fix them, if i knew how to do it: a) the user needs to add '-path /path/to/netpd/abs' to his/her startup script. i'd love to get rid of this, but i don't see a way, since [declare -path netpd/abs] does only work withing the patch, but not for the whole pd-instance. b) the user needs to set the path of the netpd-folder in 'netpd-settings' (see appropriate button in chat-window). since the 'open'-message to 'pd' is relative to pd's start location and NOT relative to the patch's location, the user needs to set it manually (if not using the pd-netpd-package), because there is no way to get the start-location in pd. since i am sure, that the actual behaviour of the 'open'-message doesn't make any sense at all, i hope it will be changed to 'relative to the patch' in the future. if not, i might consider using 'getdir' to overcome this problem. i think these undesired, but atm necessary user interactions are the main cause for any troubles while installing netpd and i assume, these were the reason, why you and a.quessy had troubles installing netpd. have you better ideas to overcome these problems? roman > .hc > > > > >> Yes, would be nice - someone would have to integrate them to > >> pd-extended > >> (using [import] and etc.) ... > > > > are you talking about basic netpd or netpd & all the instruments... > > > > basic netpd is written by Roman Haefeli > > all the instruments have at least 10 different authors. > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > PD-list@iem.at mailing list > > UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/ > > listinfo/pd-list > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > ---- > > 'You people have such restrictive dress for women,’ she said, > hobbling away in three inch heels and panty hose to finish out > another pink-collar temp pool day. - “Hijab Scene #2", by Mohja Kahf > > > > _______________________________________________ > PD-list@iem.at mailing list > UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> > http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___________________________________________________________ Telefonate ohne weitere Kosten vom PC zum PC: http://messenger.yahoo.de _______________________________________________ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list