Michael writes: >the idea that profits depend on investment is back to
front.  For Marxists, it is the other way round: investment depends on
profit.  And profit depends on the exploitation of labour power and
its appropriation by capital. <

Causation goes _both_ ways. The Keynesian story assumes unused
industrial capacity exists, so that rising aggregate spending (not
just consumption, but also investment) allows higher capacity
utilization rates and thus greater profit-rate realization. When
supply constraints are hit, this story reverses, so that greater
demand causes a profit squeeze: bottlenecks at or near full capacity
cause input prices to rise, including wages and raw material prices
(while productivity falls). The current Keynesian story ignores this
second part; this oversight seems okay to me, since the last time the
US saw this happen was the late 1960s.

The Marxian story goes from actual profit rates to expected profit
rates to accumulation to aggregate demand. This means that in the
first part of the story sketched in the previous paragraph, we might
see expected profit rates rising, boosting actual profit-rate
realization, which helps raise expected profit rates. This is sort of
like a Keynesian multiplier/accelerator process, but it cannot
continue in the second part of the story.

The Keynesian perspective works best in the short run, when general
profit conditions are given, setting the scope for fluctuations of the
realized profit rate and the expected profit rate. The Marxian theory,
on the other hand, is about the determination of  these general
profitability conditions in the longer run. That is, it's about limits
put on Keynesian theory and policy.

The Chicago type John Cochrane is quoted as saying >> I note most of
our government’s “investment” projects consist of high speed rail,
alternative energy boondoggles, photovolatics that need protection
from Chinese imports and so on. Say what you will about side benefits,
but none of these projects has a remote chance of returning a positive
return to the US Treasury… <<

These policies aren't supposed to give a positive return to the
Treasury! I don't think anyone ever said so, since it's not the
Treasury's goal to make a profit. If the US government makes a profit
on any operation, in fact, Congress mobilizes to privatize the profit
opportunities.

The "profit" is supposed to be in terms of non-paid-for benefits to
the "public." For example, in addition to directly helping Pres.
Obama's financial supporters, alternative energy projects are (in
theory) supposed to reduce carbon emissions, slow global warming, and
ultimately help long-term real GDP growth. The main  beneficiary of
the last is the "private" sector.
-- 
Jim Devine / "As far as the laws of mathematics refer to reality, they
are not certain; and as far as they are certain, they do not refer to
reality." -- Albert Einstein
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