(by the way, newbies don't use grep because list transforms confuse and intimidate, not because of the name).
I dispute that. List transforms and grep are wholly separate beast, having nothing to do with each other besides the fact that the list transform idiom happens to use grep. It also happens to use map and closures. There's nothing terribly confusing or intimidating about grep itself apart from the name; "find all items in this list matching blah" is pretty straightforward functionality. -- Mark J. Reed <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>