Hi Mike, Thanks for getting in touch, and for your observations. I have not seen it “in person” yet, but I know what to look out for now. Can I ask, would the wings be the first part of the insect to deteriorate?
Regards, Amy. From: pestlist@googlegroups.com <pestlist@googlegroups.com> On Behalf Of Michael Monzon Sent: 25 June 2021 16:39 To: pestlist@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [PestList] Historic bug? EXTERNAL: This email originates from outside of The National Archives. Hi Amy, My subspecialty of forensic entomology is archaeological entomology, so this find is SO interesting to me! While it is hard to say definitively from this photo, it is my initial impression that this is an incidental that entered the volume more recently. How intact the wing margins are and the intactness of the spines on the leg are things that jump out at me as being indicative of being more recent than historical. While the protection of the book would have preserved many features, it does strike me how intact the wing margins are. It is possible that it is from the 1700s, there are a few remarkably preserved ancient specimens found through archaeological work that are much older so it is within the realm of possibilities. There is also a "quality and character" to ancient or historical insect specimens that is hard to evaluate through photos. There is likely a publishable find you have there! I'm very interested to see what everyone else thinks. best, Mike On Fri, Jun 25, 2021 at 11:10 AM 'Sampson, Amy' via MuseumPests <pestlist@googlegroups.com<mailto:pestlist@googlegroups.com>> wrote: Hello Again Everyone, Thanks to Stephan Biebl and Forrest St. Aubin for your IDs. I am interested to find out whether anyone has experience of finding what may be historic specimens within collection material. Has anyone come across anything like this before? The volume that it was discovered in dates from 1743, so I am unsure as to whether this is likely to be contemporary to object, or whether it is more likely a recent guest. 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