Le 28/05/2015 18:52, Max Leske a écrit :

On 28 May 2015, at 18:34, Guillermo Polito <guillermopol...@gmail.com
<mailto:guillermopol...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Today we were discussing about that with Camille. Actually we would
like to split the current compile into:

- compile: just compiles and returns the compiled method. The method
is not installed in the class. Nobody knows it's there.
- install: it properly installs the method in the class, and notifies
whoever needs installs it.

Compiling is always silent by default, as it has not really an effect
in the system. Then, the silentliness should be in the install
part. Even, logging the source code in whatever source code
representation we want (now the changes file) should be part of the
installation (and pluggable).

That’s a great idea!
Just one request: please keep a single selector to do compilation +
installation (what #compile: currently does). That’s very convenient and
it’s the bevhaviour you (I) usually want.

+1 to both :)

And maybe a bit of howto to explain how tests can properly install and remove cleanly temporary code by defining them as refactoring (RB) operations.

Thierry


Cheers,
Max




El jue., 28 de may. de 2015 a la(s) 4:55 p. m., Thierry Goubier
<thierry.goub...@gmail.com <mailto:thierry.goub...@gmail.com>> escribió:

    2015-05-28 16:49 GMT+02:00 Nicolai Hess <nicolaih...@web.de
    <mailto:nicolaih...@web.de>>:

        How silent should "compileSilently" be?

        no trace in the system :
        15314 <https://pharo.fogbugz.com/default.asp?15314>
        compileSilently and method history / changes file

        not half silenlty
        13023 <https://pharo.fogbugz.com/default.asp?13023>
        Test Cases should not do things half silently

        not "SystemAnnouncer-silent"
        10560 <https://pharo.fogbugz.com/default.asp?10560>
        SystemAnnouncer and compileSilently


        ?

        What do you think, what granularity of "silent" do we need.
        I see at least three different use cases:

        - just an ordinary compile


    ? Silent means that: Core infrastructure is not updated properly
    (i.e. RPackage) and tools (Browsers) can end desynchronised with
    the methods.

        - compile for tests


    Probably the one... But I wonder if this is a good idea anyway.
    I'd believe most tests using silently are using it wrongly and
    shouldn't be using it in the first place.

        - compile autogenerated methods.


    This one may not be silent. If the auto-generated method will be
    visible (saved in a package, can be browsed, etc...) then it
    shouldn't be silent.

    Thierry





        nicolai





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