Gaar, very interesting scientific analysis. I will definitely
investigate this further

On Oct 3, 8:33 am, Gaar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I have been going on about the lack of Solar activity for a while
> now,
> and it strikes me that my first, and only, real Debate on that "other
> Forum" was on Man Made Global Warming, so this seems to be something
> that may help prove my side of this discussion, once and for all...
>
> http://planetgore.nationalreview.com/post/?q=MWExNDZhOTM5YTUyOGRkMmJi...
>
> Wednesday, October 01, 2008
>
> More on Cosmic Rays   [Edward John Craig]
>
> Hudson’s Dennis Avery in the Canada Free Press (hat-tip to Tom
> Nelson).
>
> A Canadian scientist says the largest known hole in the ozone will
> occur over the South Pole in the next week. If that happens, it will
> help us understand global warming.
>
> Dr. Qing-Bin Lu, of Canada’s University of Waterloo, says NASA
> satellites and laboratory measurements show cosmic rays are the real
> cause of the seasonal hole in the earth’s ozone layer over the
> Antarctic. Cosmic rays are tiny, invisible, high-energy particles
> from
> exploding stars which constantly strike the earth — and people.
> Cosmic
> rays probably cause some of our cancers, by altering the DNA inside
> our bodies.
>
> However, if Dr. Qing-Bin Lu and others are correct, they also are
> connected to climate change. The number of cosmic rays hitting the
> earth varies sharply based on the activity level of the sun and the
> size of the magnetic wind it projects out into space. A weak sun
> means
> a weak magnetic wind and more cosmic rays striking earth. Britain’s
> BBC recently reported that the solar wind is now blowing at the
> weakest rate in more than 50 years, and is also 13 percent cooler
> than
> it was 15 years ago.
>
> The ozone layer is important because it absorbs most of the sun’s
> high-
> frequency ultraviolet light, protecting us from skin cancers and
> cataracts. In the 1980s, eco-activists told us the hole in the
> Antarctic ozone had been caused by man-made chemicals released from
> the chlorofluorocarbons once used in our refrigerators and air
> conditioners.
>
> Fear of losing the ozone layer’s health protection led to the
> Montreal
> Protocol, which has banned CFCs since 1989. But the ban failed to
> change behavior of the ozone layer over the Antarctic.
>
> Dr. Lu says that NASA satellites demonstrate that cosmic rays cause
> drastic reactions in chlorine compounds inside clouds over the Polar
> Regions. The satellite data now cover two full 11-year solar cycles,
> from 1980–2007.
>
> “This finding, combined with laboratory measurements, provides strong
> evidence of the role of cosmic-ray-driven reactions in causing the
> ozone hole, and resolves the mystery of why a large discrepancy
> between the sunlight-related photochemical model and the observed
> ozone depletion exists,” says Lu.
>
> Cosmic rays are also connected to climate change. In 1998, Henrik
> Svensmark of the Danish Space Research Institute filled a reaction
> chamber with the earth’s mix of atmospheric gases, and turned on a UV
> light to mimic the sun. He was amazed as the cosmic rays coming
> through the building’s walls quickly filled the chamber with huge
> numbers of microscopic, electrically charged droplets of water and
> sulfuric acid — the “cloud seeds” that help create low, wet, cooling
> clouds in the earth’s atmosphere. Since such clouds often cover 30
> percent of the earth’s surface, they can play a crucial role in the
> planet’s warming or cooling.
>
> Currently, the World Meteorological Organization uses the
> photochemical model to predict that the Antarctic springtime ozone
> hole will increase by another 5–10 percent by 2020. In sharp
> contrast,
> Dr. LU says the severest ozone loss will occur over the South Pole
> this month — with another large ozone-triggered hole occurring around
> 2019.
>
> If the South Pole gets an ozone-hole maximum in the coming weeks, it
> will strengthen the case for cosmic rays, and endorse a Modern
> Warming
> driven by solar variations rather than human-emitted CO2. The solar
> model is already endorsed by oxygen isotopes in ice cores from both
> Greenland and the Antarctic, by microfossils in the sediments of nine
> oceans and hundreds of lakes worldwide, and by cave stalagmites from
> every continent plus New Zealand.
>
> The case for a solar-driven climate is also strengthened by a drop in
> global temperatures over the past 18 months: The temperature decline
> had been forecast by the sunspot index since 2000, but was not
> predicted by the global climate models.
>
> 10/01 08:30 AM
>
> On Oct 2, 3:26 pm, Frank <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > I don't get into this topic much as you can't resolve climate change
> > within the parameters of the the socio-economic system that has caused
> > it.
>
> > However, there are a couple of interesting considerations that are
> > ignored by the apologists that think global warming is merely a
> > natural cycle of nature.
>
> > One is global cooling. If CFC's were to be eliminated, or greatly
> > curtailed, the smog that pollutes vast areas of urbananized areas
> > would clear. There is evidence to suggest that the disappearance of
> > this cover could in fact raise global temperature. The only time that
> > this theory was able to be tested was just after the attacks of 9/11
> > ironically enough, as air traffic had been bought to a standstill. The
> > amount of air traffic itself in NY clouded the skies of the city.
> > Measures were taken during the time of flight bans revealing a
> > significant rise in temperature over the city. I think it was 0.75
> > degrees. Whatever it was, it was deemed to be significant at any rate.
>
> > They other phenomenon that has been proven to be caused by air
> > pollution is the dramatic change in rain patterns around the world
> > causing torrential rain in some areas and severe drought in others.
>
> > What has been proven, and it makes perfect sense, is that the tiny
> > particles of of smog and pollution released into the air, combine with
> > cloud formations, this combination causes the clouds to become heavier
> > sooner changing the length of time it takes for the clouds to drop
> > their rain
>
> > It can be difficult to get partisan reporting as vested interst is
> > often the the impetus for the compling of reports where the out come
> > has been pre-determined--another indictment of capitalism. However,
> > that the implications of an enviornmental calamity exist, is enough to
> > cut back our CFC emissions as much and as quicky as we can.
>
> > As I mentioned when opening, the profit system is the cause of this
> > disaster, the answer to the problem must be the abolition of a system
> > that puts profit above human life and the environmental impact on our
> > planet.
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