Dear Margret, With respect you make the mistake of believing America is a democracy, it is not. It is a putrid plutocracy. Capitalism rewards the most venal, avaristic philistines with power and position. The decision as to who will be the next president is already made, whether you vote or not. Obama will win, because that's who the ruling elites believe can carry out their diktats. In 2000 when the election didn't go they way they intended, they just awarded it to Bush.
What sort of Democracy has a choice of two parties with interchangable parts that accept donations from millionaires openingly buying them off. The presidential debate, what debate? What was resolved? Nothing. It was a display of childish, idiotic dishonest demogoguery, by two intellectually inept amoral reprobates. These people are war criminals they belong in jail for life, not running for public office. It times of politcal reaction ignorance bares it's teeth. A vote is the most meaningless inane futile excercise where there is no democracy, where how wealthy you are determines how much justice and democracy you are alloted. Just ask the poor and uneducated that fill the jails. This system stinks from top to bottom, it cannot be resurrected as there is nothing worth resurrecting. It is a dead a rotting corpse. "The only person more reprehinsible than those that commit evil is those that sit idlely by and allow it to happen" PS The Greens are no better, they provide what is know as left cover in parliament, a psuedo balance between left and right. Every time they have been voted into government around the world they have fallen lock in step with the right wing--EVERY TIME. They don't have a choice as to which policies to impliment. The economic conditions compell them to impliment the neccesary policies in accordance with requirements of big business--NEVER, NEVER THE PEOPLE On Oct 9, 9:50 pm, margareth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > If you don't vote, you can't be blamed for the mess that the > politicians are making? Think again. Not voting, is the same thing as > voting for the party in power, and by doing so you lose your moral > right to criticize. Keep in mind that when you vote, you send a > message that even the winners should not discount. If you choose to > vote for a third party, you draw a picture of what you do want and the > direction that you want them to go. I am planning to vote Green next > week, not because I expect them to become the next government, but > because I want the winners to be aware that there are many Canadians > who are seriously concerned about the future of the planet. I am > particularly concerned that the way that the government is so > concerned about the macre-economic system, that the environmental > issues will be forgotten. All that has occurred now is that with the > economy may slow sufficiently to reduce carbon emissions at least > temporarily. > > On Oct 9, 3:11 am, "\"Lone Wolf\"" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > I would definitely shoot first and forget about the questions > > altogether > > > On Oct 9, 3:06 pm, "M.A. Johnson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > Be Patriotic: Don’t Voteby Thomas J. DiLorenzo > > > Murray Rothbard once wrote that even the most brutal dictator ultimately > > > bases his power on the opinions that are held by a majority of the > > > population that is under his rule. After all, even dictators with large > > > armies tend to be vastly outnumbered by the populations they rule over, > > > and revolution is always on the dictator’s mind. That’s probably how he > > > gained power himself in the first place – the previous dictator was, > > > well, too dictatorial and created the conditions for his own overthrow. > > > Democratic regimes also base their legitimacy on their ability to claim > > > that their rule is "the will of the people." They believe in democracy > > > with all their will, they tell us, so much so that generations of > > > American politicians have believed that it was legitimate to wage war on > > > other nations and to kill thousands of their citizens to impose > > > "democracy" on them. Lincoln’s armies killed some 300,000 fellow citizens > > > and maimed for life an even greater number, supposedly so that > > > "government of the people, by the people, for the people," i.e., > > > democracy, shall not perish from the earth. > > > This of course was pure B.S.: Had the South seceded peacefully, democracy > > > would have still existed in the U.S., the Confederate States of America, > > > Canada, England, France, etc., etc. Nevertheless, that was an official > > > purpose of the war, and of numerous other American wars. Woodrow Wilson > > > brought America into World War I to supposedly "make the world safe for > > > democracy." We are now supposedly bringing democracy to Iraq at bayonet > > > point with numerous other Middle East countries in our sights. > > > But America was not founded as a democracy. It was a constitutional > > > republic. The whole purpose of the Constitution, James Madison wrote in > > > Federalist #10, was to control "the violence of faction," by which he > > > meant democracy. That’s why, until the Lincolnian "Civil War Amendments" > > > were added to it, every part of the Constitution was aprohibitionof some > > > kind of governmental power or activity. Democracy was made into a "civil > > > religion" by Lincoln and subsequent generations of Lincolnites who have > > > successfully overthrown the constitutional republic of the founding > > > fathers. > > > These constitutional prohibitions or limitations are all but ignored > > > today, of course. The Constitution does not provide for the central > > > government to get involved in education, let alone sending a man – and > > > untold millions or billions of dollars – to Mars. There are no > > > longeranyconstitutional limitations on the central government. Washington > > > politicians laugh and sneer at libertarian think tank employees who > > > occasionally appear before their committees to oppose this or that > > > government program on constitutional grounds. They laugh and say to them, > > > "we’ve got the power to do it, and we’re going to do it." I’ve seen it > > > with my own eyes on C-SPAN. > > > President Clinton’s Surgeon General, Joycelyn Elders, went so far as to > > > assert that the constitution allowed for a federal masturbation education > > > program. Even Bill Clinton thought that went a little too far and fired > > > the good doctor. > > > The Republican Party today stands for an explosive growth of the welfare > > > state and is spending money on such programs as fast as Lyndon Johnson > > > ever did. The Democrats are as bad or worse. > > > On foreign policy the Republican Party is dominated by crazed Wilsonians > > > who want to involve the U.S. military in perpetual global warfare "to > > > spread democracy." As with all such imperialistic ventures, this would > > > eventually bankrupt the country and create countless enemies who would > > > like nothing better than to destroy us by the millions with nuclear > > > weapons or poison. The Democrats are as bad or worse. > > > Both political parties are competing to grant amnesty to all illegal > > > aliens, as the first step along the way to allowing completely open > > > borders. Combining open borders with an explosively growing welfare state > > > will invite all the deadbeats of the world to come to America, with all > > > their extended family members in tow, to "celebrate democracy" by voting > > > themselves more and more of the hard-earned dollars of those of us who > > > work for a living in this country. This would cause the welfare state to > > > eventually eat up a huge portion of national income, probably half or > > > more. American taxpayers would be nothing but docile slaves to the > > > Washington, D.C. plantation. > > > The government schools long ago gave up teaching anything significant > > > about the founding fathers, the Constitution, and the philosophy of > > > limited government – other than to trash and demean them. In a democracy > > > it is not in the state’s best interest to educate its own citizens about > > > the virtues of limited government, and ours doesn’t. And it certainly > > > will never make any attempt to do so with the hordes of new immigrants it > > > hopes to attract (and register to vote). Belief in the Constitution is > > > essentially a lost cause. > > > That’s why it is unpatriotic to vote. Being patriotic in America means > > > being devoted to the Constitution, if not the natural rights philosophy > > > that motivated much of it. Since neither of the major political parties > > > has any interest whatsoever in enforcing the constitutional limitations > > > on the state, they are all traitors to the Constitution (with one lone > > > exception, Congressman Ron Paul). > > > Anyone who supports them is also behaving in a traitorous manner. That > > > is, anyone who votes foranyof them. Voting only allows these traitors to > > > the Constitution to proclaim that "the people have spoken" and "I am your > > > president," or congressman, senator, governor, or whatever. Their > > > legitimacy rests solely on their ability to make this claim. > > > Imagine what a patriotic thrill you would receive if, in the next > > > presidential election, a mere 10 percent of the electorate, instead of > > > the usual 50 percent or so, voted. The unconstitutional regime in > > > Washington would be de-legitimized. The upside is that it might just be > > > possible that some politicians in Washington would get the message and > > > start behaving more like a George Washington or Thomas Jefferson than a > > > Tony Soprano or Vito Corleone (with apologies to all the distinguished > > > Italian-Americans out there). The downside is that they will keep on > > > behaving as they do now – with complete contempt for the Constitution and > > > the population it is supposed to benefit. So be patriotic: Don’t > > > vote.http://www.lewrockwell.com/dilorenzo/dilorenzo59.html-Hide quoted > > > text - > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ Thanks for being part of "PoliticalForum" at Google Groups. For options & help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. 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